Bad Grammar Parody Video
Here is a video JamesatWar made featuring yours truly which is a parody of “The way I are” video, called “Bad Grammar”.
Tell me what you think 
Marina
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This was too funny not to post it here, Hitler and the Grammar Nazis… disclaimer: not for the easily offended
Good stuff. See! You should always listen to the paperclip.
BillyB: Recent comments brought me here, great video you grammarist done. Grammar Nazi
[Hipparchos: "horse master"]
Geez this is better than the original. Really though
A good video about grammar in songs.
But I am confused at why learning “grammar “is an issue in the United States.
How can you put a coherent sentence together if you don’t know
the basic rules?
You don’t learn English via osmosis.You learn and practice it. In reading, writing and conversation.
But it seems to be an issue at universities, where arts, languages etc are under funded, also known as “under paid”.
This comment actually belongs to the “Funny old video” posted by Miss M.
koalabear, people seem to feel that the idea of “good grammar” is a way of segregating people.. a way of making someone feel low class and someone else upper class (exclusion).. and that certain groups of people may purposefully use a certain “type” of grammar to “fit in” with others in the same group. (And what’s funny, is that, by trying to fight the system of “proper” grammar, a new form of grammar is then created, which has its rules as well – much like how punk rockers wanted to be different, but ended up the same in their own group, grunge, emo’s, etc..).
BUT… I do believe that there are certain rules that need to be followed in grammar… otherwise, what’s the point of even teaching grammar (or language for that matter) in school? I almost feel that this attack on the idea of “good grammar” is almost an attack on eduction as a whole.
I feel that grammar rules allow children to be taught the structure of their language.. and if you standardize these rules, you can teach everyone in a particular language to be able to communicate with each other. If you do away with standardization, I feel that you actually run the risk of creating GREATER segregation, as different groups will sound totally different and may even have trouble communicating with each other… which is the exact opposite effect that those opposed to the idea off “bad grammar” want to see happen.
Definitely a controversial topic that I didn’t realize was as controversial until this video came out
I totally agree.
I also worry, that if students are not taught grammar they will consider English to be a difficult subject to be avoided, rather than enjoyed.
I hope you enjoy making the videos as much as we enjoy watching them.
All the best.
KB
Dearest Marina
you explain it very well & I wonder if you believe that with such a large area
B.B.
accents play a very large role since the vocalization (sound)
can & often are different{ being from bklyn N.Y.} accents have played a large part for me during my many years of travling . this country anyway
Funny old video about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7DjP0a5Iu0
You are so right on about “good grammar!*!*!*!*!*
Hear is the song AMERICA – A horse with no name – 1975 the video was refering to(steve martin)
[segregating] is what it is…works and churls 
keep up the good works
Sorry for such a late post, fantastic video, better than the original. As for the comments regarding bad grammar spoken by certain ethnic groups, well I guess it depends on your perspective. Since I am in the ethnic sub-group of all people that speak/or are deaf,sign language, I recommend tolerance to all. We all started someplace, are going to someplace, want to get there, so we need help for direction (except if we are males, then we never ask for directions).
I love it Marina!
I listen to it all the time, I even ripped it to my iPod
When I am in a bad mod, I go watch one of your videos and always makes me feel much better. Thanks for making all thise vids Marina, means alot for me.
cool as sh*t
Hi Marina!
I hope you like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj5qgfQj-co
Funny. I couldn’t get Marinas’ vid to run this AM (flagged). Had to watch yours a couple of times before I heard what you were saying, so that makes it so much like a typical HFW vid.
Those aren’t real … the hair extensions I mean. 
The tat? Gave you 5* & subbed for now, you look like fun to watch.
Watched a couple your others vids & yes the price of oil affects me dearly. Every time the price of oil & subsiquently fuel goes up, my shops’ business declines for a while… the last price increase kicked us for more than a week. But eventually ppl. just bite the bullet & get back in their cars & drive everywhere again. Interesting guy to watch ZeroFossilFuel Cheers, sosaut
BillyB, you can’t watch the video when it’s flagged? I thought it would at least play here on the site. The flag should be removed shortly when the YouTube people get into work. So annoying!
Marina – I had the same issue this morning, but I don’t think it had anything to do with Youtube flagging. Normally, if Youtube flags, i just click on the “confirm birthdate” button and it plays. But this morning, for some reason on your site and on youtube the video would start and then freeze. Later, it played fine.
I think those youtube people flagging your videos as 18+ are ridiculous. I mean, I’m all for being mindful of common decency and all, but your videos are tame – at most, flirty. There is so much more on youtube that goes unflagged that is actually what the average person might consider “dirty” that it has to be that you’ve gotten on some group’s radar. I would bet it’s a single person or group of people from the same organization flagging your videos. Is it possible to find out who, specifically, is flagging your videos and point out to youtube that it’s the same person every time?
Good video kriscan! I noticed you are using the same template as my website.. it works well. Also.. you probably figured out after making your video that it’s not so easy what I do in describing these word origins… remembering my lines and keeping it short and interesting, right?
I was unaware of Peak Oil.. very informative. I think they need to come up with a better name for that though.. as I thought you were talking about a body oil. Peak Oil doesn’t conjure up an image of something depleting. But those are just my initial thoughts.
Hi Marina,thanks for the response. My home office computer decides on it’s own which videos I can watch & when LOL. Your vid just wouldn’t start up today but kriscans’ did, but as soon as I got to work, first order of business was watch yourvid. although still flagged it worked flawlessly.
I voted for the 7milliondollarman quite a few times today on all my computers, he’s getting close to #1. You’re such a sweetheart, for providing the link. thanks.
Does the digg thing mean anything to your site, just wondering,I hitt the digg thing but there is an eery echo in there, just ask & I’m sure it would do better for you.
Actually kirscan soundslike an interesting girl, can’t be all bad she dances in some of her vids. She seems to be sincerely into stirring up thought& awareness with infotainment. She obviously studdied you pretty good to imittate that well.
I, i love this video, i simply can stop watch it…,
I’m portuguese, sorry for my bad english
can anyone make the lyric of this video?
thankx
bye
Marina,
Do you want me to get this song played in dance halls all over the UK ? Must be good publicity.
I circulate music to DJs and the main annual event for Europe is on Friday 31st May to Monday 67 hours non stop dancing.
I reckon I can get it played there.
Is the song available to email as a MP3 music file that I can write to CD ?
Just wanted to know that despite me not having the mp3 file, a DJ found and obtained it independently and played it on Sunday afternoon.
So your song has been played in the most prestigious Ceroc style/Modern Jive event in Europe and flew straight into the most elite section of the event , the blues room frequented by world champions.
Tell me about it.
I was in his pocket and I got very dizzy. 58 hours dancing
Marina and JamesatWar,
I just wanted to say that was fantastic. Clever, well produced and funnny! I’d be happy to watch any other ‘duets’ the two of you (y’all?) might produce. Well done!
kirk2112
That was hilarious! Please keep access to that vid so I can b playin it wen I wants.
P.S. I can not play the answer to the penthouse game.
Kisses,
I love Jamesatwar’s Hey Harry Potter song. Check it out.
Where have you been toysjoe? Haven’t seen you in a while!
Well, it’s June. Class finishes for the year soon. And the teachers are just laying assignment after assignment on us. I just don’t have the time to surf the Net that much anymore. And plus I have summer school….
I didn’t think anything was better than Fernando and Thomas’ McDonalds rap. This takes genius to a whole new level.
GJ
Fantastic…JamesatWar must have had an afflatus prior to writing this song. For too long the excerebrose, oligophrenial, quisquilian, rebarbative, thersitical zoophytes who comprise much of the music industry have been rewarded for their ignorance. (Check out those words Marina.)
More people should see this thing.
Yeah! I am STILL a little
“green” with envy over
your sucess as the TA.
That scene was hot!
It’s been a couple weeks,
I know, but I have a vivid
memory. Congratulations!
just how vivid?
SO vivid it would blow your mind!….
Hey super cool video.
I love the lyrics dude.
Привет другу джеймсу из россии.
целую, солнце везде!
Marina,
You and James should do the music video “Promiscuous” by Nellie Fertado.
Marina,
This video is great. You should do more music videos.
Very good job!
The music, the words that fits with the original, all very very good!
QUESTION:
Is it “Cut the MUSTER” OR “Cut the MUSTARD?”
and what is the origin?
LOL Needless to say, Marina is the highlight of this video.
I prefer the works of Noam Chomsky and the psychological power of GOOD grammar, as that’s what our brains are wired to. Perhaps that is why we react so negatively to bad grammar.
Ebonics.
An immigrant comes to America and has two jobs and studies
a second language. Bad grammar people have false pride and
badly learn a language that only they can understand. Yet they
act so proud! Convoluded. Hot for words will help them!
if only they will help themselves. thanks for helping me Marina.
Your moves are strong.
I could just listen to Marina’s music from Ronald Jenkins for hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smE-uIljiGo&eurl=http://www.hotforwords.com/music/
Bad grammar in video games: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdtzZ10TMjw “All your base are belong to us”
Bad grammar in music….lol…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7DjP0a5Iu0
Quality Miss, that hits the nail on the head.
Top marks for the mini kilt, from Scotland
Marina,
I thought the BAD GRAMMER vid was out of sight
Quoting “the way I are” aren’t you spposed to use foot notes stating where the quote was found.
If it were you stating it then you wouldn’t need them cause that is your phrase used as part of your statement.
Where the title in quotes might be corrrect for the phrase bad grammer has the answer right there with the band used name for the reference.
Greg
AWSON!!!
totelly! great video, nice dancin’, lovely piercing!
Hello my dear teacher.
That video rocks!
Since I´m swede my knowledge of english or american grammar isn´t the best and I guess there are some difference between UK and US when it comes to grammar also….
Saying that, you might consider letting me stay after the school also?!?!
from your dera student / Swedehunter
What is racist about this parody?
I agree
you’re definitely right there 2hotforwordsfanclub. The parody version is way better in my opinion.
I have just seen the original Timberland version and your video comparatively kicks ass to explosive proportions.!
The music quality, tittilation factor , humour, Sheena’s harmonies and entertainment factor and the pimped up school bus was so superior to the bland music and lyrics of Timberland.
See if you agree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_-1peCW6Ok
I agree, the parody video is way better than the original.
The lyrics are brilliant, and the clever “after the school” at the end.
Do you agree with me that after the school is incorrect ?
I Agree, “after the school” is incorrect grammar.
hey is good,it’s so funy
Hey MARINA
I just realised that ‘You are staying after the school’ is bad grammar in itself.. Sorry Marina but it is. (I can detect the slight aroma of a deliberate mistake reasoning coming.)
‘The school’ is undeniably a physical object which cannot be stood behind in this sense yet the solitude school word is referring to an abbreviation for ‘school time’ .or ‘school period’.
Therefore the correct grammar is ‘You are staying after school’ or to be more perfect ‘you are staying after school time’ as teachers in UK said to me.
This guy might have some weird ideas but I reckon he is right doll
I say ‘YOU ARE STAYING AFTER SCHOOL’
Tiger are you a male or female hampster. I have a little hamster named Hammie that might want to meet you.
What do you think this is a bloody Russian Brides website for hamsters ?
No actually Capman911, Markie (2HFWFC) told me that there is an old ancient proverb.
Except for Marina no decent female can send a good e-male.
They were a bit sexist in those days.
My problem is this 1970s song could have been about me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CprQ295dxVw
So basically if Hammy is male not a good idea,
If Hammie is female best way to lose your hamster.
THE ABOVE VIDEO REALLY IS A HOOT
click……..Roger female Hamster Bonking Willgo there Over……..click
Man I laughed so hard at that video. It was great Tiger.
So I take it that you don’t want a dog eating homophobic hamstressiser friend for Hammie then Eh?
great video, tiger!
Thanks Wurtle Tax
What is a Wurtle and why are the Revenue involved here ?
On my planet we say ‘Staying at school after you are’
Hey 2hot, just wondering where your ringing in from…if ya dont mind
You know the answer to that one already. North of England.
Man what happened here?
I leave for about 2 hours to go to a county commisioners meeting and lord the chatter is grown enormous.
I think I am going to bed so I don’t get caught up in how I sound being from the deep south.
LMFAO
it’s HILARIOUS
When did it become racist to laugh at something that is funny? If someone sounds like a fool, maybe they are, in fact, a fool. Being foolish has never been, is not currently, and will never be dependent on skin color. The color of someone’s skin should never, under any circumstances, make them immune to the mocking and ridicule they so richly deserve. Everyone needs to lighten up on being so sensitive about skin color and worrying if something is offensive. Who cares? Grow some thicker skin and get a life. Most importantly, laugh at what’s funny.
I loved it. It may be racist, but also accurate in pointing out the lack of verbal skills of the Hip Hop Nation. You don’t have to be black to be part of that Nation. I hear, white, brown and Oriental kids all use that type of language. It’s their Nation, no mine. If that’s how they communicate, then let them be.
That Ruled!!!! Very Hot Marina.
Oka, Marina -
I found this video slightly humorous but it borders on being racist since it is obviously geared towards hiphop culture and, ergo, black kids. It would have been better had the video been made by a person of color and not a white guy talking as if he was black. Anyway, I enjoy you and your work.
Sweet video!
Go Green!
Go with Velocity!
Awesome.
warmly,
Nelson
More Bad Grammar PLZ. That`s great.
Превосходно. 
A linguistics professor was lecturing to his class one day. “In English,” he
said, “A double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such
as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative.”
A voice from the back of the room piped up, “Yeah, right.”
Sweeping generalizations are always wrong.
(Including that one)
Is there such a thing as Bad Grammar?
oops… http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Bad_grammar
oh, come on, this is getting ridiculous.
That was supposed to be funny.
Sorry proz but If you consider a pork barbeque at a Bar Mitsva to be funny then that article was hilarious.
Actually, 2hotforwordsfanclub, I do consider a the idea of a pork barbeque at a bar mitsva to be rather funny.
Kind of like a McDonald’s in Calcutta…..a reading of Orwell’s Animal Farm in a Mosque… 
God Hates Ham
Interesting video
Seems mad that as the most intelligent species that walked this planet we will probably be the shortest lived due to our stupidity from our inability to cohabit with one another mainly because we have to force our religious point of view on others.
Hows it ham-ging Pros ?
Still lassooing the girlies ?
Who says God doesn’t like me
He doesn’t like ham ? Sters me up that does.
Listen baby guurl.. your on to something here.. more more
key? don’t make us wait to long.. waiting sux
Maybe the next teachers pet.. will be none-other than… MOI
Kisses!:*
P.S You have a lovely singing voice.. I never would have guessed it
But, you do! :*
Not me singing chemikal, her name is Sheena. She’s a great singer.
Thanks for the information.
Information .. hm that’s an interesting word isn’t it?
I wonder, what would be it’s etymology? Do you think you can help me out on this one?
More kisses! :*:*
funny like hell
and i like the music btw
Wow!!! That was so good words fail!
Oh by the great sun God of Alitar
THAT VIDEO WAS OUT OF THIS WORLD
I see well-thought-out arguments are unwelcome to you here, buzzword. As I have no other way to contact you, mind telling me why my comment was unwelcome and deleted?
Others, apologies. A well-reasoned argument was deleted and I just want to know why, that’s all.
cause it sucked. big time.
You don’t even know what it was… thanks.
Maybe the comment was abducted by aliens
Total apology to all. I was acting retarded and did not see the post in the list. Again, I screwed up, sorry.
that’s cool, now… let’s get ready to rumble!
I thought it was great! Look at the pic next buzz. I know-I know, they say dont judge a book by its cover. I say you can get a pretty good of it just by reading the back.
huh? you want to take a look at his ass or something?
I ment, by reading the back of the book!!….but that WAS funny. good one aLx
Are you trying to start something. I’ll take you and your fairy godmother out before you can say salagadoola mechicka boola bibbidi bobbidi boo! Don’t mess with my simian punk ass.
har har… I had to look up the words to that song.
Hey, check out the pimped out short bus!
Fo’ shizzle, right buzzword?
Is that a Double Dutch Bus ,Marina?
Damn, girl! Fo’ shizzle. You straight up on da’ low downs, earnin’ street cred, fo rizzle!
All I can say is WOW
My favorite comment on this video over at YouTube:
Ummm…. thoughts please?
check out ali g. “does you think …?”
This one is my favourite.
Maybe i am biased because I used to chat to him every time I saw him in Marks And Spencer Handforth Dean..
Ali G has me howling with laughter at the abuse he gives both of the Beckhams. I can’t believe Ali G wasn’t knocked out !
It is Comic Relief an entire night of collecting charity money for third world countries ……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P842Tmi6lrc
Would english teachers ever be able to give out report cards? maybe not, my son writes very well & my wife & I think he is gifted that way (Hope he keeps it up) but his english teacher murdered him on his interpretation of some poetry they had to study. He didn’t see it her way. She really missed the boat as it were & I only hope she didn’t discourage him. Good Writers make you think but I don’t think the best ones are trying to make you think their way only… just think…
King Solomon Wrote ” A wise son makes a glad father” I don’t know what thats called when it has two meanings like that, ie. is he making his father glad or is he going to be a glad father? both are true
plus, I’ve said that many times before: there’s no such thing as bad grammar. this is just wrong.
“are” is an _inflected_ form of “be”. that means, feature checking _does_ take place when generating a phrase like “I are”. it’s not “I be”, although this phrase is found, too (“I be good.”), as well as using only non-inflected forms in, as I understand it, sentences of non-imperfect tense. there are also cases of just dropping the copula (“he no good.”).
oh, yeah. as buzzword mentioned, I was talking about vernacular.
Talking about Grammar that is bad we are ?
How about sentence construction whilst we are on the subject.
Yoda of Star Wars
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qovKnS3rG0A
Is there anyone out there know any better example ?
I ain’t talken shit when givin’ nods to african american vernacular english. I mean, dude may be sayin’ it all polite and all, but he right! Truth. Don’ nobody say nothin after that. ain’t nothin’ left to be said. <a
haref=”http://www.une.edu.au/langnet/definitions/aave.html”Understand?
shit! that was an important link… Understand?
You should look up the words to “dope man” NWA…after I heard that one there was nothin’ to listen to ’cause I heard it all.at least back in 85-86
Nowhere else to stick this. Hosers eh! http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TfBbR6L0M We say on the west coast that the east coast canadians are hard to understand & we even have newfie jokes but they get horny too http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ySiE34Stt3E. I wanted to post this lower in the thread but couldn’t hit the reply,
I worked with some swiss guys who spoke german but in such a way that German customers of ours could only make out a few words. So I’m sure english is not still the only language to divide people.
HUH? I’m not a wizard over here but I DO know that you can drive through any “hood” with a vidoeo camera(if you live) and have enough footage to make the movie “Decline of Western Civilisation part III”…BTW, part 1 was about punk rock & part 2 was about heavy metal. I liked part 1 the best because it was MY time…both pretty good though
I’ve been held at gun point on the south side of chicago but the decline of western civilization as you stated is actually occurring in our nations capitol, ditch the camera and watch some c-span. The shit happening in the hood is because of <a
href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b41sR6dJ8AE”<western civilization. punk as fuck.
fuck, <a
href=”http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b41sR6dJ8AE”<western civilization.
fuckity fuck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b41sR6dJ8AE
1st -c-span is just a bunch rubbish and poppycock and it makes my blood boil to even think about watching it. 2nd- The reason I brought up those movies is because they discuss the impact of music on a genaration of kids of that particular era. 3rd- Dont get me wrong, I listened to DK, The Circle jerks. GBH, ST, The Sex Pistols,Black Flag, and still do at times. But when I was about 17yrs old I realized that they were mostly whining about how life is’nt fair and if I went along with what they were preaching I’d just be another jerkoff waiting for my welfare check to come in. The point is, I cant stand people who complain about life not being fair when more times than not its the desisions they’ve made throughout thier lives that puts them in the posistion they’re now.
that’s cool, but you got to recognize the impact that other people’s decisions make on other people. Lot’s of people in the hood don’t have that many choices left to them. That is due in part to the decisions of those with more authority and responsibility. Chicago’s south side and LA’s south central are excellent examples.
Right on bro!
“cause the boys in the hood are always hard, come talkin’ that trash -we’ll pull ya card”…NWA was the greatest ever when it comes to rap…hands down, the were the OG’s fo sho
Afropo, I just remembered this from back in the day, Funkin Lessons, kickin’ it back to you old school style. Get it, “afropo”, “apropo”. This is some funny shit I tell you.
I got it, I like it, I want some more of it.
Buzzword.. you don’t need to put the a href or the http:// into links.. the www will work just fine.. the website automatically adds the http stuff….
http://www.hotforwords.com
I believe this is the link that Buzzword was pointing us to.
It says there that “African American Vernacular English in the USA” is “called a minority dialect”; isn’t this the root of the problem that manifested itself as the neglect of the “Rural Southern Black” children in the schools they attended in the “prosperous, mostly white suburb” to which they had moved?
Labelling their language as a “minority dialect” attached a stigma to them which prevented their teachers from recognizing their duty to apply to the students their human rights.
I suggest that if the students’ language had been regarded as a Creole or a Pidgin, they might have received more equitable attention from their teachers who, in my opinion, were guilty of, at best, criminal neglect of their duty towards those students.
I have written elsewhere on this web site that, if one expects to fit in to a society one has to play by the rules of that society; but equally, it is almost impossible to do that if the society,in its turn, does not make an equal effort to accept and welcome the incomers and actively help them to learn the rules, culture and language which it uses.
This is not to suggest that the incomers should abandon their previous customs altogether; merely that they need to learn additional skills to interact with their new neighbours.
That’s nice if you want to fit in, I don’t.
Nice for you, Buzz. I wish you well.
cool. peace out.
By that logic, any modified form of English, such as “I ain’t got none” or “I seen that” is not “wrong.”
Well, there is nothing “wrong” with it (in terms of being morally wrong). However, before bad grammar becomes good grammar it has to, in my opinion, create a new structure (and not be merely a mixed slang without any coherence).
So, somebody else’s “new” structure only becomes acceptable if it meets your existing criteria for grammar. Your argument seems a little elitist. But hey, I don’t expect you to change to meet my expectations.
what is a “new structure”?
Anything that makes you feel insecure.
Wow, buzzword – no need to make this personal by calling me names.
Let me ask you this: Are English textbooks defining English grammar rules “elitist,” and are books like Strunk & White’s Elements of Style “elitist.” I’ve never claimed that anyone needs to meet “my standards” or that I set any standards. However, that does not change the fact that there are and always have been standards.
Anyway, had you read my post of 2:28 below, you would see that I am not claiming to be “the” authority on English. Nor have I claimed that English rules never change. I’ve never suggested that language is mathematics, or carved in stone. Quite the opposite.
Where the line is drawn is a never ending debate. The fact that language is to some extent fluid (and can and will change) does not, however, mean that “anything goes” and that slang and non-standard English is equal (in my opinion, that is – you are free to hold that everything is equal and that all grammar rules are arbitrary and elitist – but, I suspect that the consensus will fall on my side).
Is it not possible for one to acknowledge that there are rules without claiming that there can be no change? If one acknowledges that “ain’t got none” and “less people” are incorrect, is he or she to be smeared as an elitist?
P.S. Your post implies that I’ve expressed some “elitist” views. I don’t think that’s fair to say about me, but it goes without saying that you are free to hold whatever view you like. I will point out that the only time I have ever taken a stance that could have been considered denigrating to another person was with respect to a person who went by the handle “errinf” when he made some vicious threats against our trusty teacher. Other than that, I’ve respected (and respect) everyone here, including you. Peace.
dude, I said your argument seems elitist. I wouldn’t call you an elitist. If I implied as much a apologize. If I thought you were an elitist I would say that and say fuck and variations of fuck a lot to add emphasis. The only rule of language is that it must convey meaning. But that really isn’t a rule as much as a law of successful communication. Somebody else may use language that contradicts your rules, as long as they are able to communicate between each other what universal rules have been broken. Their language and grammar does not invalidate yours. I understand the meaning conveyed by I ain’t got none so it is following the rules that guide successful communication.
buzzword – you said you didn’t expect me to change (apparently, from being elitist). But, whatever, it doesn’t matter.
aLx – in terms of language, “structure” means, “the pattern of organization of a language as a whole, or of arrangements of linguistic units, as phonemes, morphemes or tagmemes, within larger units.”
Thus, a “new” structure, would be “a of a kind now existing or appearing for the first time; novel.”
…oops…. “of a kind now existing or appearing for the first time; novel,” not “a of a kind…”
“I ain’t got none” and “I seen that” have a certain kind of structure. and? I don’t really see your point. I wasn’t interested in a definition per se anyway, I know what a structure is. I just wanted to know what you meant by “create a new structure” in that context. what kind of structure are you thinking about?
The point is that there is a difference between getting making an error and using a new grammatical construction that makes sense as part of the whole system.
For example, we correct people when they say “Tom and me went to the store.” Why? Well, the correct grammar is “Tom and I went to the store.” So, why isn’t “Tom and me…” just as “correct?” On what basis does anyone claim that “Tom and me…” is not just as legitimate in that example? My answer is that the language has not changed, yet, to a degree where the grammatical construction “Tom and me…” makes any sense at all in the overall system. However, the paradigm can and most likely will change over time.
My overall point is that language is free to, and does, change over time (witness the dramatic changes in the English language over the last several centuries alone). On the other hand, by convention, usage, custom, etc., the English language does, in fact, have structure. There are rules. We are not wrong in correcting grammar school children that proper English (right now) uses “Tom and I…” and not “Tom and me…”
Often, of course, the rules are hotly debated, some more than others. Also, rules change. If and when they change is hard to say. There is no officiating body that makes a determination. It’s impossible to say, for example, exactly when late middle English changed into early modern English. It did, however, change.
Does anyone deny that there are grammatical rules that apply to the English language as used presently? If there are no grammatical rules, then there is no grammar at all. It’s “anything goes.” Is anyone here advocating that position?
strike “getting making” from the first sentence above.
OK, further clarification, because it does matter, for successful communication. I meant you don’t have to change your opinion, not you. I said your argument seems elitist, not you. I meant with a degree of ribbing that you expect people to change to meet your expectations. Whereas I don’t. I see now that I provided substantial material for confusion in just a few sentences. I’m just that damned good. That being said I think your still wrong, and I’d rather finish this discussion in a pub you miserable atheist pain in the ass.
Yea, anything does go. Language has to be flexible to aid us in understanding and communicating in a complex and dynamic environment. Just as the inherent flexibility of our biology and culture has allowed us to adapt to various environments. I will offer this, you are correct that there are cultural norms for language use. These norms tend to be conservative overtime and function to maintain coherence over time. If language changed too rapidly various generations would not be able to communicate knowledge to each other. This is happening to some degree with text messaging. This may be to an extent what you are referring to. Culture will ultimately adapt however. But these expectations are still relative cultural constructs and not linguistic laws. The following is meant to offend you: You shit head! Nothing else contained in this comment was intended to offend you.
Here’s what’s not getting through: I do, in fact, believe language to be flexible.
You say, however, that “anything goes” and then acknowledge what I’ve been saying all along: “there are cultural norms for language use.” If there are cultural norms, then a violation of those norms is “incorrect language use.”
When does an error turn into a new “norm?” That’s hard to say, and is often arguable.
The fact of the EXISTENCE of grammar at all, by definition, assumes a set of rules – since grammar consists of the rules of construction, morphology and syntax applicable to language. You can call these rules “cultural norms” but that doesn’t change anything.
I’ve never said there was any such thing as a “linguistic law” (implying something unchanging).
I don’t think we’re far from agreement here. You just keep skipping over the parts in my posts where I explain that language usage, grammar, morphology, syntax, etc. all can and do change over time. That being said, if someone spells the word “cat” by typing “xpq” we can fairly say he’s “wrong” under the current “norms” of the English language. That’s what saying someone is using “incorrect grammar” is as well.
There is a lot of incorrect grammar seeping into the mainstream of the English language. One example that I notice quite a bit is the blurring of the distinction between “fewer” and “less.” Even among our television pundits and news anchors, the use of the word “less” in relation to things that can be counted (e.g. less cars on the road, or less people in the churches) is rampant. That usage is certainly wrong, and it would be ludicrous to say that it is simply a type of “suburban English” with which we are unfamiliar.
There are rules. That being said, rules change. Where the lines are drawn is simply a never ending debate. The rules of have changed before, and they will change again. However, the rules do seem to change from one fairly understandable structure to another fairly understandable structure.
That usage is wrong, until it’s not. Language has always functioned like this nothing has changed. There were people bitching about grammar centuries ago, and now we are using the language they resisted. Your position is a role of conservation in an environment of free progression.
this discussion seems familiar. language change etc.
buzzword – I specifically said in my post that this is a never ending debate, and language changes over time. My position is most decidedly not “a role of conservation in an environment of free progression.” My position is that while there is change, there is also structure – there are rules.
of course there is structure.
you seem to be talking about text book rules. that doesn’t have anything to do with structures and language change. not even with language.
No, aLx, I am not talking about text book rules. If I was talking about text book rules, I would have said so. Further, not all text books agree on all of the rules.
Let me approach this from a different way. I’ll start by asking you a question.
What is English grammar?
a grammar is an abstract system set up in your brain.
English grammar is the way the sentences of the English language are constructed, including morphology and syntax.
aLx – I don’t think you answered my question. What is English grammar? And you answered: “a grammar” (whatever that means) “is an abstract system set up in your brain.” That tells us nothing about what English grammar is. Lots of things are abstract systems set up on our brains, and not all “abstract systems set up in our brains” are “a grammar.” So, your definition is not particularly useful.
Be that as it may. I won’t argue with you over the definition. I’ll accept yours such as it is.
Let me follow up with the following questions:
Has anyone ever, to your knowledge, used incorrect English grammar? If so, can you give me an example?
Has anyone ever, to your knowledge, used incorrect English syntax? If so, can you give me an example?
Has anyone ever, to your knowledge, used incorrect English morphology? If so, can you give me an example?
oh, it tells us a lot. it tells us that it is in your head and that it is abstract.
that means that there are as many grammars as there are people. and that means, a grammar is not correct or incorrect. it just is. in your head. this is pretty simple.
a grammar consists of syntax, morphology, phonology, and semantics. depending on where you are born and raised, you acquire a certain set of (basic but not trivial) rules that enables you to communicate with the people living in that region.
what do you mean by “incorrect”? I still don’t get that. things like “I ain’t got none”?
I mean by incorrect in that sentence whatever you understand incorrect to mean.
If there is, as you say, no incorrect grammar, than there is no appropriate way to correct someone’s grammar under any circumstances.
By the same logic, spelling is completely subjective and can never be corrected. Also, there is no such thing as a definition of a word either, therefore to ask me what I “mean” by the word “incorrect” is useless. After all, the definition of words is just as “abstract” as grammar, and the only things I can use to define a word are more words (which you can have no idea how I define).
dude, you still don’t get it.
a grammar is in one’s head! “correcting someone’s grammar” is like saying “correcting someone’s color perception”. it’s nonsense.
you acquire a certain grammar. this is your OWN grammar. it does not happen consciously. you have acquired the whole grammar of the region / culture you were born in at the age of five or something like that.
this has nothing to do with what they teach you in school.
if anyone can explain this better than I can right now — please do so.
Sure, everyone can have “their own grammar,” but it’s not necessarily proper English grammar. Proper English grammar is more or less a consensus.
It’s not that I don’t “get it.” Your argument is as applicable to anything in the world as it is to grammar. The meaning of words is in your head too. Everyone can have their own meanings. Red can mean white to me, and blue to you. Up can be down, or sideways, or dog. That doesn’t change the fact that there are rules of convention as to what things mean.
If a child takes a test and is told to spell the word “big,” and he spells it “borg,” then the teacher marks him wrong. He is, of course, entitled to “his own” spelling because it’s “nonsense” to claim that anyone’s spelling of a word is incorrect, right? That doesn’t change the fact that words are spelled a certain way in common English.
The same is true for grammar. A child, Billy, may take a test and write “Tom and me are go to store.” That’s incorrect English grammar. It may be correct “Billy grammar,” but it’s not correct “English grammar.”
Saying things are “in one’s head” doesn’t address the issue. Everything is “in one’s head.”
Is it nonsense to suggest that under modern English usage there are some problems with the following sentence?
Its not easy to find the four errors with apostrophe’s shown her, but thats a writers task.
okay, you definitely don’t get it.
you’re talking text book rules again. I don’t know how I can make you understand my comments.
“(english) grammar” has nothing to do with text book rules. it has nothing to do with certain concrete, non-abstract elements like “ain’t”. what the hell is so hard to understand about that?
“grammar”, as linguists use it, has NOTHING to do with writing a sentence like “tom and me are go to the store”. it has NOTHING to do with instances of certain syntactical structures. it has NOTHING to do with concrete entities.
it has NOTHING to do with conventions about what word refers to what entity. this is an entirely different subject.
I’ve said this a million times: grammar etc has NOTHING to do with written language. written language is of no interest to linguistics. linguistics doesn’t give a flying fuck about spelling.
goddamnit!
Of course I get it.
One, I am not talking about textbook rules. Look, grammar doesn’t come FROM textbooks, textbooks describe how the language is used. Textbooks today are not same as they were 100 years ago, and won’t be the same 100 years from now, because the language has and will change. However, I’ve not once brought up textbooks or claimed that they in any way govern this discussion.
Two, I disagree with you that English grammar has nothing to do with writing a sentence (including but not limited to the one you referenced). Grammar is the study of the way the sentences of a language are constructed; morphology and syntax. Linguistics is the science of language, including phonetics, phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics, pragmatics, and historical linguistics. Syntax, in linguistics, is the study of the rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language. So, I disagree with you, I assert that English grammar includes its syntax, and its syntax is the system of rules for the formation of grammatical sentences. Thus, English grammar has quite a bit to do with writing a sentence like “Tom and me are go to the store.”
Three, I also disagree with your sentence that grammar has nothing to do with written language. Of course it does. Syntax is part of grammar, whether written or verbal.
Four, whether linguistics (linguists?) care about grammar or spelling is irrelevant to the topic of whether someone can use incorrect (bad) English grammar. That being said, of course linguistics involves grammar and spelling. Modern linguistics is not merely the study of the spoken language. It is the study of language. Included within linguistics is the study of language structure (grammar) and the study of meaning (semantics), as well as the symbols used. Grammar includes morphology (formation and change of words) and syntax (the rules that determine how words combine to form sentences).
Lastly, linguistics does, therefore, give a great deal more than a flying fuck about spelling, since spelling is a part of “morphology.”
I’m tired of this can’t we just beat each other up? We’re men, we can settle these differences simply and brutally, then have some drinks and song afterwards.
Note. The prior statement was intended for humor and based on culturally relative concepts of gender and conflict resolution.
NO! most languages are only spoken, not written. spelling doesn’t have anything to do with morphology. what the hell.
general linguistics does not include historical linguistics. you’re confusing it with comparative linguistics or philology.
of course grammar includes syntax etc. so?
syntactical, grammatical structures are acquired unconsciously. you don’t have any direct access to those structures.
Let’s go!.
Err…. Let’s go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHgcfpgJP3U
aLx – I did not “confuse” historical linguistics with comparative linguistics or philology. You used the term “linguistics,” and historical and comparative linguistics, among other things like applied linguistics, are part of the science of linguistics. Also subsumed within “linguistics” are discourse analysis, pragmatics, semantics, syntax, morphology, phonology, phonetics, stylistics, developmental linguistics, evolutionary linguistics, etc. etc..
Furthermore, this wasn’t a discussion about what linguistics concerns itself with. It was a discussion of whether there is such a thing as incorrect (bad) grammar. So, whatever linguistics does or does not encompass is clearly irrelevant to that issue.
Also, whether “most languages” are spoken and not written is a complete non-issue. This is a discussion related to English grammar. English is both spoken and written. Both the spoken and written word have grammar.
As for “of course grammar includes syntax. So?” I explained the “so” part above, but let me try again. Syntax, in linguistics, is the study of the rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language. Thus, there ARE rules for the formation of grammatical sentences in a language. If there are grammatical rules, then those rules can be broken. If those rules are broken then they are (arguably and oftentimes) “incorrect” (bad) grammar.
Lastly, spelling is part of morphology in the English language. Morphology is the study and description of word formation (as inflection, derivation, and compounding) in language. In English, the is no word formation without spelling. Spelling is the the manner in which words are spelled. But, again, whether spelling is part of morphology is really irrelevant to the question of whether there is, in fact, such a thing as incorrect (bad) grammar. Even if I accept, arguendo, that spelling is wholly separate from morphology, it must nevertheless be admitted that spelling (a subset of orthography) is part of English grammar. Thus, incorrect spelling can be a form of incorrect (bad) grammar.
yeah, you still don’t get my point. maybe this is gonna help:
“Introduction: “Good Grammar”
Few Americans escape school without some understanding of grammar. For most, this understanding amounts to a murky sense of something called “good grammar” and a nagging fear that they don’t have it. In other words, they have a sense of “prescriptive grammar,” a set of “rules” governing the choice of who and whom, the use of ain’t, and other such matters. Promoted by Jonathan Swift and other literary figures of the 18th century, this approach to language prescribes the “correct” way to use language.
Many English speakers haunted by prescriptive grammar might be surprised and a little relieved to learn that most scholars who study language today are more interested in what they call “descriptive grammar.” Instead of establishing and enforcing lists of rules about language, these scholars try to describe the system by which humans communicate.
[...] today’s linguists are careful not to say a word or sentence is “correct” or “incorrect,”[...]”
–> full text.
this is exactly what I’m talking about.
on grammar:
“Grammar: The study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences; the system of rules inherent in any language (from the American Heritage Dictionary, 3rd Ed). Grammar needs to be distinguished from usage, which is the way the language is conventionally used within the culture. Grammar is structure, form, syntax, and by the time children are four or five, they’ve “got” the structure of the language they hear all around them.”
–> link.
this is exactly what I’m talking about.
You, once again, accuse me of not “getting” your point. I got it alright. I merely disagreed with it.
After reading your links, I find that in your previous posts you overstated your argument. The links you provide most decidedly do NOT state that “grammar is merely an abstract concept in one’s mind,” that there 6,000,000,000 grammars in the world, and that there is no such thing as “incorrect” English grammar.
The links differentiate between a static “correct” English that is somehow viewed as inherently “better” than inferior dialects. I wholeheartedly agree. However, your first link contains a discussion of “standard English” and a reference to the fact that there are “rules” to “standard English.” If one breaks the rules to standard English then one is using it incorrectly. The first link you provided merely discusses standard English as a “dialect” of English.
Each “dialect,” however, has its own set of rules, by definition. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be a dialect.
I’ve acknowledged in all of my discussions that English has dialects. I even named Appalachian English as an example. I also acknowledged the possibility that Timbalake’s Black English, was, in fact, another dialect.
In your second post, you define grammar as the study of how words and their component parts combine to form sentences – the system of RULES inherent in any language. That’s roughly the definition I gave a couple times. Language has a system of rules (grammar) and if you break the rules, then what? Haven’t you used it “incorrectly?” If, however, you are speaking a different dialect, then you are you using that dialect correctly. However, not every grammatical fuck up is a new dialect.
I agree that usage is not the same as grammar. Usage is the customary manner in which language is spoken or written. Usage has been traditionally identified with various categories of usage, including standard or nonstandard, vulgar, common, substandard, etc. In writing, there is formal, semi-formal and informal. In spoken English there is even more.
Again, that doesn’t erase the rules. There still are rules that can be broken. If one breaks the rules, one is doing it incorrectly.
Now, as a qualifier, this is not mathematics and is not carved in stone. Note the following: (a) rules have, can and do change, (b) nobody goes to jail for breaking the rules, (c) it can often be BETTER and more communicative to break the rules, (d) each language and dialect has its own set(s) of rules, and (e) everything is debatable.
I suspected all along, and think that now we aren’t all that far apart, but we are describing similar concepts different. My primary disagreement with you appears to be with your previous statements to the effect that there aren’t any rules. Even the links you posted acknowledge that there are.
Oh, and excuse my mistakes in the above paragraphs. In a few places, I used incorrect grammar (and usage, for that matter). However, as I was not writing in a different dialect or discrete vernacular, I can only say that they are wrong. They’re not “alternatives” to “standard English.” They’re fuck ups (a.k.a. incorrect (bad) grammar).
fuck it, dude.
so I’m using non-prosperian grammar. can we agree on that?
It’s all in your head.
Does incorrect grammar start out as slang, proceed to dialect, and end as a new language? E.g. Gullah English
Same question regarding the relationship between Pidgin, Creole and regional dialect; many areas of the north and east of England and Scotland have regional dialects which contain many Scandinavian (Viking) words which are not used in other parts of the UK.
Did these regional dialects evolve from a melting pot of Viking and Old English making a kind of Pidgin which evolved into a Creole?
SUPERB STATEMENT.
But what you omitted that these many ‘Creole’ dialects are encouraged within the regions that use them. People use them with pride that they are born and bred there.
I ran a mail order business and can pinpoint the locality of a caller to the nearest 20 miles
I quickly learnt when moving to Yorkshire to modify from ‘please may i have this dance’ to Eh up lass does is thee upfuth’boogie ?’
If I sound local I will have less refusals despite no further conversation.
By the way Bob me old China you missed my favourite and a very recent accent Cockney Rhyming slang , Would you Adam and Eve it ?
Black English is a PC term for “the black are stupid, let them talk that way”. It’s justifying the sadly typical propensity for lower-class black Americans to have lower-than-average grammatical skill and is as such racist. It implies that we should accept this warped grammar as acceptable because black people cannot do any better. That’s a really pitiful attitude. All people, regardless of such trivialities as the color of their skin, can speak well. Those who feel differently can placate themselves in their self-importance.
Black English is, at best, a dialect, and historically dialects have varying degrees of acceptance. Some dialects are viewed as vulgar and some are seen as different but worthy. I see black English (as a proposed valid linguistic system) as simply an example of the lower class celebrating the purported stupidity of a minority, and I cannot support that. All people can be smart, and we should not relegate a population to an “Amos-and-Andy” vernacular which represents them in a most unflattering light.
This comment was very well written, yet ignorant.
Buzz, question: how are you defining the word “ignorant” in that sentence?
Let me add – the popularity of “Black English” among Americans, particularly street-hopeful White Americans, is based on the stereotype of black being stupid and not being able to speak correctly. It’s a damn insult and a real step back to support Black English as a viable dialect, supposing that a wide-spread trend of ignorant syntax is linguistic evolution.
Mind you, someday it may be. It might work out that way, and future historians might be well justified to point to this ungrammatical vernacular garbled syntax as a step toward then-modern English, but until then we should not suppose it will bear any influence. Our grammar works; let’s all learn it and use it, and we all shall communicate more clearly. Those who cannot yet use standard American English in America should be urged and supported to learn it, use it, and teach it to their kids. Let language evolution happen naturally, not through some PC racially-motivated filter.
prospero,
“ignorant” as in lacking certain knowledge and then (this is the amusing part) “ignorant” as in easily angered, which is a black english definition.
What knowledge do you claim he lacks?
Well… he does not know that black english does not mean, “black are stupid let them talk that way.” That is merely his opinion. He does not seem to know that black english is just as complex and has an identifiable grammar. He does not seem to know that all languages are basically equal. He argues that language should evolve naturally yet he also states that those that do not use standard english be urged to accept so that we, meaning those who don’t speak black english can communicate effectively. This introduces social control of language development, not a natural evolution. I am ignorant myself, and if anyone would like to educate me further please do so, there is always more to learn. I generally disagree with most of what he said, but I’m sure he’s cool with differences of opinion, but I wonder what you thought of his statement prospero811
buzz – I thought his second paragraph was better than his first. I would disagree that Black English means that blacks are stupid. I think he could have conveyed his meaning in a less inflammatory manner. I might analogize it to, for example, Appalachian English, which has many critics (who claim that it originated out of laziness or indifference to learning standard English). That’s the same type of criticism leveled against Black English. So, I think there was a away for him to make his point without being so racially specific.
There’s a difference between “bad” or incorrect English and a new dialect of English. The latter has its own rules (morphology, phonology, syntax, lexicon, orthography, etc.), which then can be broken. In other words, if Timbaland is said to speak Black English, then there must be such a thing as Black English. If there is such a thing as Black English, then it must have its own morphology, phonology, syntax, lexicon, orthography, etc., to some degree. If we can know what Black English syntax (for example) is, then we can know if someone using Black English is following standard Black English syntax. Thus, someone can be speaking the Black English dialect, and get it wrong (thus using bad Black English grammar).
I’ll just make this a new reply instead of a reply to a reply.
alx replied on February 9th, 2008 6:25 pm:
there’s no such thing as “good” or “bad” grammar[1], or even “correct” or “incorrect” word usage.
it’s all about conventions. people “agree” to use a certain element in a certain structure. that can change, and it does.
so how does language change? right: by using “bad” grammar and “incorrect” words.
[...]
[1] with “grammar”, linguists refer to something in your head, not to some kind of book with rules. so we actually have about seven billion grammars.
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aLx replied on April 7th, 2008 9:47 am:
[...]
rules are arbitrary. without breaking the rules, there can be no language change. which would be odd now, wouldn’t it?
linguists assocciate with “grammar” something else than non-linguists. when a linguist talks about grammar, he refers to the grammar in your head. now, we’re talking language systems. a system consists of two things. one, its elements. two, the relations(hips?) between those elements.
you have words in your head. this is your mental dictionary (those are the elements). by the age of three, humans usually have acquired a great deal of their mother tongue’s grammar (how to build sentences, phrases, questions, and so fort), that is, they know the syntactic rules (those are the relations). by the age of six, their linguistic development is complete.
[...] written language is rather unimportant to linguists. try to see it as some sort of side effect.
can you talk to a six-year-old? will you be able to understand him? yes, you will. will he be able to understand you? yes, he will.
again, language is not based on rules that you find in a book.
when acquiring a language, children automatically look for rules and apply them. think of the “incorrect” usage of plural forms, like, “childs” instead of “children”. -s seems to be their default for forming plural forms (you can argue that the default suffix for plural forms in english is a null suffix, but that is another story).
Boy Marina, you sure now how to stir the pot dont you…i love it
I’d like to point out, too, that the statement Marina posted claims that the Timbaland song wasn’t “bad grammar,” but was a new or different “dialect.”
A “dialect” is a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.
The speech/language used in the video do seem to be used by a group of speakers who are set off socially. There are clearly different words used (different vocabulary). So, the question of whether the definition of “dialect” is met seems to turn on whether distinct phonology and grammar are present.
Grammar means basically the features and construction of language, including morphology and syntax. Syntax means basically rules or patterns for forming sentences. Morphology means basically the patterns of word formation in a particular language, including inflection, derivation, and composition.
So, it would seem that question turns on whether there are a new/different set of rules/patterns that apply to the manner of speech displayed in the video. I can’t opine either way on that point, but it seems to me that it would be a new “dialect” if it was an example of language used that conformed to some set of consistent rules or pattern of morphology and syntax (i.e. – had its own set of grammatical rules).
Let me also qualify this, and all my other comments, by pointing out that I at no time stated that the language used in the Timbaland video was not a dialect.
This part of the speech helps & I, just a dumb Canadian, watched with fascination, the whole thing, & sometimes I fail to see why the American media edits a good speech to make it look foolish on the news (Ratings). “Different not deficient” http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzYdcwUgmA&feature=related & why are music tastes different if you got time watch first part http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=VcvYoTvYwUk
Well, what an interesting battle that raged through the night whilst I slept! It has been fascinating to read.
) or the structured, organized, rule driven approach of the Prosperous ones?
Marina, do you have any comments yourself? Has either side of the argument convinced you or changed your thinking from what you felt before you posted the YT quote? Do you favour the linguistic anarchy of Buzz/aLx (Hmmm … Buzzalix … Buzzer Licks … Sounds like some kind of sex toy, doesn’t it?
I have to say that I tend towards the latter, as without a common set of rules there is just confusion which leads to misunderstanding and miscommunication, but I am a left-brainer so I suppose that I am predisposed to that view anyway.
Thanks BillyB for posting the Reverend Wright speech; that is probably the most valuable contribution for me and kind of answers a question which I asked and no-one answered.
I don’t have a rule-driven approach. I acknowledge that there are rules that apply to the use of language (if there weren’t we couldn’t talk about what they are). However, at the same time, I acknowledge that those rules can and do change over time (and often there is disagreement as to what the rules actually are). Whether a given usage has become proper English or not is a never ending debate, but some things are easier to rule out than others.
bob,
I think you misunderstood me. (what is a linguistic anarchist anyway?). (general) linguistics (this is not to be confused with philology) is all about structures. linguistics is very formal. formal semantics, syntax, formal logic, and so forth.
the point is that linguistics is a _descriptive_ science. linguistics does not say: the usage of “less” in this-and-this context is wrong, it should be “fewer”. linguistics says: alright, there seems to be a change, we have to take this into (semantic) consideration when analyzing phrases. that’s all.
you acquire certain syntactical structures when you acquire language (I’m talking about mother tongues here).
you acquire the knowledge that english is an SVO language. that is, you acquire the knowledge that declarative sentences have more or less the syntactical structure:
[ [NP] [VP] [(NP), (AP), (PP), (VP)] ].
this is a very abstract concept. this concept enables you to generate sentences. sentences you’ve never heard before. it enables you to be creative. and it doesn’t tell you anything about the usage of certain words like “ain’t”, or double negatives, or what have you. nobody explicitly teaches you that. your brain will just figure out the fact that english is an SVO language. it just abstracts from the linguistic input it gets. (kinda like generating the plural forms — see my comment above.)
Thank you both for your replies.
Proz, I didn’t mean to imply that you were a slavish follower of rules or that you thought rules should be immutable, but, at any point in time, people trying to communicate with each other have to both be using broadly the same words, grammar, syntax and what have you, for there to be any meaningful exchange between them.
For an extreme example, if you were speaking in some North American Indian language and I were speaking Thai, how do you think we would get along?
aLx, for a less extreme example, much of your reply went straight over my head, just as anything I were to tell you about RNAV, flying IFR in IMC using VORs, NDBs, DME, VORTAC, VLF, GPS, ILS, IGS and MLS would produce a MegaWTFcluster from you. You and I are using the same language but, because we don’t know each other’s jargon, no understanding would pass between us.
You have said elsewhere that the function of language is communication, but no communication happens if the parties are not “on the same wavelength”.
And on that note, can either of you tell me what “cesdavis on May 18th, 2008 3:24 pm” on The “L” word game is saying?
I apologize, bob, sometimes I just get carried away.
yeah, I should’ve explained that.
“SVO” means “subject, (finite) verb, object”. you can classify languages by how the build their sentences, in what order certain parts of speech appear. there’s languages that put the verb at the beginning of the sentence, VSO or VOS languages.
okay, technically speaking: “XP” means “X is the head of that phrase”. I’ll try to explain that.
NP = noun phrase. that basically means that the main element in this phrase is a noun. like: tom, I, the cat, the yellow car, my dumb teacher, etc.
VP = verb phrase. the main element in this phrase is a verb. basically, all sentences are verb phrases.
AP, PP: adjective phrase, and preposition phrase respectively.
so, an example of a sentence with the structure
[ [NP] [VP] [PP] ]
is:
[ [tom] [went] [to bed] ].
hope that makes things clearer.
Bob – I think that’s about right.
Hi Marina
Looks like you really “opened the flood gates” on this one.
America, historically is passionate about grammar and spelling.
Mark Twain’s book, “Huckleberry Finn” was initially banned from school libraries because of “poor grammar”, “poor grammar”. Go figure?
The belief at the time, is that “how you spoke”, was a key to social standing. Looks like that hasn’t changed, just now includes song writing!
But double negatives, what’s going on?
Bad grammar makes me [sic].
Marina; when you lead the discussion it truly is teaching…which you know that you can truly do…the lessons are super; well, some appear driven towards getting more utube ‘hits’, that’s the business you’re in, but nothing is more powerful, intriguing etc. than you actually teaching, and when it’s something especially topical & relevant, which you seem to enjoy, it’s especially & powerfully cool. Maybe you can guess I voted for more animals; it’s smart Monty Python style fun–which you’ve also got in spades…
So…of course the song/video deals with bad gramar & lax gramar, it’s a ‘song’ not a dissertation & although it does brush into areas of dialect the commentor has no idea how much I or you know about “Black English”. The song is ‘Bad Gramar’, not ‘Black Gramar’, right? His point is well noted but too one-sided.
What I Think?
How many people with enough free time to do this…
Seriously how generous is nowadays world…
Hitman, I am surprised at you! You think people make these videos because they have a lot of “free time?”
It’s called having a dream and reaching out to people.. JamesatWar has videos that have been seen over 6 million times.. he is a parody musician.. similar to Weird Al Yankovich.. and Weird Al had made a quite a living with his parodies…. like this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw
JamesatWar is going down a similar path.
Do you not get the humor perhaps?
Love it! ROTFL
Hilarious when the gangstas locked the doors on the open convertible.
I get the humor, but I don’t like the ideas of parodies.. I think that things are funny when are made buy yourself without making fun of others…
I know that JamesatWar and Weird Al Yankovich have a dream I now is becoming true , but they made it without own jokes.
The other case is you Marina, you became famous because of your inteligence and etymology knowledge , not duplicating and making laugh of other person idea.
That’s they way I think it but there are many who like parodies and I must respect their ideas such as them mines.
If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants. I. Newton.
Art is either plagiarism or revolution. P. Gauguin.
standing of the shoulders of giants
There is nothing funny in Russia?
Hvorimod i Norge / Whereas in Norway
Kovalchuck… Kovalchuck… Kovalchuck. Only two goals of the tournament the biggest. Congratulations Russian Hockey fans. Great comeback team. http://www.hockeycanada.ca/5/5/6/4/5/index1.shtml
Did you watch? Is it a big deal over there? …Ilya Kovalchuck http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j3qPKwL9s9ZHr9iXz6G0OA1DMmgw …I’m taking it hard here. but it was a great game.
Funny how the OT on our broadcast was called “Sudden Victory”, too PC I grew up watching “Sudden death” in the playoffs. Cheers
It was a really hard match, we went to overtime to decide who was the best.
My congratilations to the canadians, because they also made to the finals.
buzzword on May 14th, 2008 7:10 pm
Dig some of this hardcore shit.
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Marina replied on May 14th, 2008 7:15 pm:
I love that video.. I changed your link buzzword to link to a higher quality version.
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metelexwolf replied on May 14th, 2008 7:52 pm:
No the answer is 3 with me looking up to you.
buzzword replied on May 14th, 2008 8:05 pm:
I’m down with that, word, peace out to my girl in cali.
prospero811 replied on May 15th, 2008 8:42 am:
Everyone loves a tea party! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JchKa8Ox3Hs
kaibanator replied on May 14th, 2008 9:20 pm:
lol funny vid
Might have to host a tea partay 
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stokesjrj1 replied on May 18th, 2008 6:13 am:
So i finally watched that video, your thinking lakes, when you should be thinking snakes, were not talking underlings, where, where talking walking talking, you know what I mean.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PTU2He2BIc0
Maia Marina,
Well, Yellow Pages, setting there in the penthouse keeping your legs\finger crossed will get a ring on that finger next too them. This is some of the best advertising you’ve ever done. Use not acting your really in the role,Is after the fact though and no turning back now. What happened?
You were sitting in your kitchen eating Ostrogoth when roger missed his invasion, leaving you sitting in the penthouse in your situation.
Maia Marina, You woke me again, here i am. James was a good friend I grew up with.
wow. hone that cutting edge, dawg!
Is that Roger?
…or maybe the well digger.
i DO like the skirt swish
thang that you does!
I sure wish I knew how to put one of those little pictures next to my name…I have one, just don’t know how to get it there
Check the help section on marina’s website, it will tell you
Thanks runawayscott
JUst seeing if it worked
Oh look! It worked!!….EEwww, I think I might try and change it
Need more yellow folks pagedoll, not sure what it is though?
I don’t know? A messed up smiley face? Im workin’ on it…
Looks like half eaten cookie. I like
Hilarious! Ausgezeichnet! Excellente! It’s about time someone commented about that bad grammar.
Marina, what’s the origin of the phrase, “To Hell in a hand basket?”
wow! it’s nice i love it!
Well i watched it again. this time after dancing, and again and again. Tig and I wept all the way through again like we did on the G4 vid. .
This is actually an absolute masterpiece.
Get this song published and you will be recruiting Teacher’s Pets by the truckload !
I absolutely guarantee Marina that you have more talent and potential for ultimate fame in the name of etymology than anyone could possibly imagine.
YOU OUTSHINE every single person on this planet
Just keep shining until more of the rotating world can see your iridescence.
Not one person will want to stand in your way
Guaranteed. Done dusted.
Tears are going to blow this keyboard.
The world is your oyster babe.
GO MARINA GO
I wept also.
the thought of you weeping made me cry
Stop it! Now I’m welling up over here
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c2s4wbFAhFw Look for Buzzword in the vid & although it’s dated, the guy seems to be head over heels for teach’ well if you got a good imag… My favorite redhead sings a good oldie http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLyBe8ySXg Reba’s one of my longtime admired ladies. After she lost her band she wrote for them this http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8ejkX8EDhUA Give those you love an extra hug or a call.
‘s Ok sometimes.
You guys are (HONK) all a bunch of (SNIFFLE) weenies (pass the kleenex)! Aw, jeez….(HONK)
I prefer this version BillyB
Now, get a grip, Guys, and suck on this
I prefer the Kykie version also
Where is Melikathechacha nowadays.
Hope he isn’t left bitter and twisted after this one.
This one is for him………song 10 Won’t you join me for a drink
http://www.properlychilled.com/music/release/profile.php?view=512
tears for fears, yea!
Yep sure agree sob sob.!
Markie is right nothing can stop you, until he treads on me.
(Hey Marina where is the crying smiley thingymabob facey doodah udgumwhatsit ? Eh)
Can you create a new position ‘Teacher’s furry cheerleader ?
Go MARINA GO !!!!!!!!!
Oh please, please don’t make me stay after School teache!
I would like to have this song on my iPod. I like it because it is funny and pokes fun at the people who can’t even spell or speak correctly. Sad
I use bad grammer from time to time. Daily.
I get this right it is a big “mosquitoe” verse the actual “crane fly” no need to un-ravel where “grammer” came from was never measured in scientific units. Thank GOD, it wasn’t a naval they feed us? Why does raveola still taste like “rubbish” to us, Marina. It was never a question right film and bad gammer. Everyone is guessing where the milk and babybottle came from is still all the experience I need. Since it was suppose to be given a “governmental sigh” it was a late afternoon when her “water broke” before reaching the hospital and It was “hotforwords” like the tide never comes in this shared substances abuse assets mangement. I was wonder if the “wewe” might be wedded once to know of both pleasures in the same year! How long must you wait for sex after being “truely” wetted that “year” I have no complaints that it took a twelve pack to clean my vehicle out. Oh, no that is why they call it, “a vehicle,” maybe chilli con carnie too. The commets and concerns of MArina seem to have never left MArina attitude. If there was someone from California would they be glad to know that the two words “abduction and exhausted” means “I did it” if they were to of heard it from from the “roof of their mouth” laying down to whos identity was blamed the “parents.” The went this way, no they are over there, any discussions. Surmise the situation and what attitude? You better wash that off before it drys! The sophmore never went to school just might be the cause to why the “water broke.”
That HoT!!!! Where my parody at so I can upload it this weekend…
Livewire-
I love it!
in one word
Fun 
great loved it
That was cool Marina. Looks like you had a lot of fun making it. I like towards the ending when you are dancing way from the camera going towards the blackboard.
Bugger that bit what about the ….and the …..and the …….and the……..OK the whole lot then !
Your right tiger and the ….and the….. and the….. just all of it.
kind a funny video
Great video! Very Creative.
The best part of course was you DANCING!
Thank you Marina and JamesatWar
“The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.” – Niels Bohr 1885-1962
What a crazy guy!
So does anyone know who Professor Bohr is? What award did he win in 1922? What famous person was Bohr friends with and enjoyed debating ideas with?
Master Debater w/ Albert Einstien. Kids seem to know who he is.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4596403255774251067&q=&hl=en
Funny I ‘ve got a courier driver that delivers to us That is the spitting image of Albert E. & he sometimes wears an A/E t’shirt.
He must be smart too, doesn’t get lost & finds us every time, Actually has a great sense of humour & brightens our days, thats smart. Cheers
Funny, I heard Albert E got lost many times. I wonder if the Courier is smarter than the Albert?
Well you let the guy know he has been mention on HFW website.
I knew a currier once. He didn’t look anything like Einstein at all.
But he made a mean Rogan Josh.
I think this answers your questions, Jack.
Bob, humm… Ok Bob, huh..
Nothing showing up in comments although it shows in the “Recent Comments” list in the sidebar.
Maybe we are in lockdown.
Back to normal again.
Great video…Marina, you’ve never looked better!
Great video spoof, Marina. You should eat more my dear girl, you are almost too thin. Our culture is too concerned with the temporary and superficial appearances of beauty and youth…
“Old age and treachery will always defeat youth and enthusiasm.”
Now that was a snipe!
Wadda ya mean? She perfect in every way.
100% Perfection cannot be improved. Just don’t change.
Not meant as a snipe at all Bob, just some fatherly concern. I said she was “almost” too thin. There was a story in the news yesterday about a young girl who quit her career as a model because the designers and photographers kept telling her that at 17 years of age, 5 foot 9 and 130 pounds she was “overweight”. She went down to 102 pounds and hadn’t menstruated for over a year. Her hair started thinning and falling out in clumps. This is common among a lot of models and not good for a woman’s body. The same thing happened with women in Auschwitz or happens with people who are starving. A woman needs to have a minimum of 12% body fat or they can have physical problems that can last all their lives. Again, our culture is too self absorbed with physical appearances. If you don’t believe it just look at all the plastic surgeons in Beverly Hills and all the “stars” who look like something out of Madame Tussaud’s Wax Museum. There are too many people who are vain, narcissistic, self absorbed and shallow in our culture. I’m just telling Marina that she should take care of herself. Take it from me: youth and beauty don’t last. Intelligence does.
I think that it is nice to know that Marina despite moving to America hasn’t ended up like a stranded beach whale like you see in the MacDonald’s queue every minute of the day in the US.
. I think that some people lose all sense of reality when it comes to what the ideal weight is, it bears no relationship whatsoever to the national average or else we would all be driving monster trucks..
Most of the ladies in my home town in Siberia have this figure because they preach healthy eating there thank God.
I was very disappointed to see the vast quantity of bloaters looked like in the UK. It was like a less extreme version of watching a US TV programme.
If you look at the weight charts superskaya, I think that you will find that she is probably in the centre of the normal bracket.
As for models, most keep their weight down with cocaine and fasting. Marina being Russian no doubt likes to eat healthy food so I don’t think you need to worry although I am sure that she appreciates your concerns.
2hotforwordsfanclub, you kick serious arse…
Love the composition of the ingenious handle Handel.
Yep but that’s only by email.he kicks arse (not ass ?)
You don’t get to physically feel it. i do …
Hey annuddermale where did I kick arse ? I can’t see where on the page sorry
I disagree old age doesn’t defeat, my dad didn’t learn to swim (afraid of the water) til’ he was 50, then he joined masters swimming & swam miles every week. road his Bike every day, read prolificly to keeps his mind sharp & had 1/2 dozen chess games set up around his house of games he was playing on line with friends. Perfection does take work & kudos to Marina, she seems to have great work ethic, hope she has good rest ethic to balance.
I have a client in his 80′s that rides his bike everywhere… great old guy & his wife sweeter than Honey & no lack of enthusiasm. Nobody should let circumstances or age defeat, sure they’ll set you back but keep lookin’ up (forward), hope you can be encouraged if your feeling down, look for stuff you can’t or haven’t done yet & go for it, don’t give up, find a friend to challenge & challenge you. http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/05/16/bad-grammar-parody-video/#comment-18678
http://www.veganmomma.com/blog%20pictures/Cartoons/2007/don‘t-give-up.jpg
Oops. my bad… I won’t give up http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L-p2sbt_C4w
http://www.sciencescene.com/The%20MAP%20Company/Anamation/StillPictures/DON‘T%20EVER%20GIVE%20UP.gif.gif
http://www.sciencescene.com/The%20MAP%20Company/Anamation/StillPictures/Still_Pictures_clip_art.htm
close enough I hope
I had a series of heart attacks at 47 (miocardiar infarction varieties) a few years ago lost my market leading company my house everything except the shirt on my back . The cardiologist kept recommending rest and my heart deteriorated further each time. Last time I was so pissed off that I danced the night I was released 4 days after the MI. By the time my obligatory 8 week rest period was over, I was walking10 miles a day yet before I couldn’t climb a flight of stairs .
I am now cycling 100 miles in a day which is commonplace. I have lost 35% of my body wieght and my blood pressure is normal and I no longer take the medication.
The heart is a muscle that can be built like any other. Old age only defeats it you let it
Didn’t know you were on @ same time ish Yeah your second comment makes more sence, but our girl has so much energy she gotta eat right.
Bill, I’m afraid you misunderstood the point I was trying to make in regards to “Old age and treachery will always defeat youth and enthusiasm.”. I meant it as a dig at our cultural obsession with superficial beauty, not as anything derogatory to Marina.
I did
misunderstand, easy to do & be misunderstood. Cheers
Unfortunate fact of life. Sex sells and beautiful people are the most successful salespeople. Very sad really when beauty really comes from within.
I understand the sex sells concept very well. 22 years in the field has taught me at least that much.
I agree with what you wrote above, sniper. As far as
well, maybe; certainly old age will eventually but intelligence, uncommon sense and enthusiasm will delay it.
With our teacher’s help, of course.
Some people say that we have the genetic capability to live to at least 120 – 140.
Treachery? Maybe we can defeat that with Teachery?
sniperskaya, thanks for the concern… but I am thin merely because I eat properly, that’s it. I am not thin because I am trying to appeal to some societal thing. And trust me, I like to eat! You’d be surprised at the quantity of food that I eat.
I understand completely Marina. Thanks you for being intelligent enough not to have misunderstood my intent. Just the father and grandfather in me coming through I guess. I too was thin when I was younger. 25 years old, 29 inch waist, ran 3-6 miles, 5 days a week. Your body’s metabolism takes care of what you eat up to a certain age. After that it’s good genes, proper diet and exercise. I’m sure a smart lady like you can take care of herself. Just remember the old dictum “Everything in moderation, especially excess!” I wish you every success and hope you will choose a career along the lines of speech pathologist or some such where you will use your talents to help others as well as yourself. Beauty, brains and youth are a rare gift. You have been blessed.
Almost too thin means just fine.
Ever the contrarian, I would say that western society, particularly in the States, doesn’t concern itself enough with the temporary and superficial appearances of beauty and youth. In the States, 65% of the population is overweight or obese. In England 58% of the population is overweight or obese. Almost 1 in 6 people globally are clinically obese. And, continental Europe is not far behind the U.S. and England, and alarm bells of a growing obesity crisis in Europe have been sounding for years now.
Far from being “too concerned” with such superficial matters, it appears that the vast majority of westerners are not concerned at all.
nice skirt
LoL
ROFLMAO! That was great you guys!
this song make sense to me
i talk bad gammer, ba vocab.. in fact i got 0 for my vocab section in my english test
you woke me up
I liked this vid
Great job Miss HFW: Don’t forget about us poor students that need education when you go with David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen, in their 24th reunion of “Hot For Teacher” tour.
Is that serious that she is, or you saying she should?
I think it’s great Marina!! You should do more vidos like that. It’s a new side of you that should be utilized more. I’d rethink the plaid Catholic Schoolgirls skirt. I think you look damned hot in it! It’s just that “Girlicous group has ruined that image.
You are definitely the best part of the video!
Love the skirt too.
Nice work….hope we see more!
Funny stuff, especially since it’s so true! Thanks for introducing us to James and Sheena.
BTW, how’s your singing voice?
This is a great video! James@War did a wonderful job putting it together and your part in it was entertaining to say the least. kudos!
Мне нравится этот новый фильм!
Правда должна объявить Марину ГОРЯЧАЯ ЖЕНЩИНА СО СЛОВАМИ?
ДА! Является Правдой! Марина ГОРЯЧАЯ ЖЕНЩИНА СО СЛОВАМИ!
Ain’t no doubt about it.
Fantastic, really amazing singer and the hotest teacher in da world
I dont know how to pronunciate mi vocals & vowels
APLAUSES OH MY GOD !!!
Sheena don’t write wif’ no bad grammah http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=PLCWTu0MTOM Thanks for the intro to sheena & james.
(thats one of those four dreaded questions) Since you’re a long way away I can answer.
You say, tell me what you think
Hard to think when your dancing Marina, gave me chuckle actually. you dance like my daughter, not that bad, but fun to watch. Definite definition in those abs & magic holds up the skirt. Careful now.
Loved the custom school bus. nice touch too. “talkin thuv”
You kids are brave, hangin’ it out there on you tube. Sheenas’ tribute to Moms is nice too, hope she does well too.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ese98RAaA9k
That was pretty cool. I wish I had some exploitable talent that would get me close to Marina. What can I say, I’m green with envy
runawayscott, we’ve never met actually! It’s the power of the blue (green?) screen
I still stand by the first half of my statement; I wish I had a talent that would get me close to Marina
Hey runawayscott. You have got a talent that got you close to Marina. She doesn’t reply to many people . You attracted her attention enough to enjoy that privilege.
tiger-the-vicious, I reply to people all the time
Except that there is no reply link to your message.. so you won’t see this reply unless you come back here and read the thread 
And if she were to reply to everyone, she would have no time for making videos.
Now which would you prefer?
OK, silly question, you want her to yourself – don’t we all.
That was my exact point.
So I was telling my fellow student, that he has been blessed with a great privilege because Marina is so important and busy.
Did i speak out of class ? Detention is boring.
That’s 2-0 Markie (2HFW)
What I think?!? OMG its fantasic!!! Very good thing that you went and did that video. I think this will give you a great boost.
Hey BD, I studied Shaolin Kempo Karate for 3 years.
Yes. First American to bring Kempo to the US.
Mike Skinner of Aberdeen Kempo Karate.
I also studied under Grand Master Archibeque for a short time. He’s retired.
awsome yes fantastic love it love it downloaded so i always have it its my favorite teacher/singer just fantastic thanxs sweetheart pls make more
That was great!
Do anudda!
I’m an old dog and usually like My Rock hard,or is it,My Hard Rock? I’m just slammin Me a cupple beers and wuddo I find on the net? hotforwords,some hot,dark haired chick and JamesatWar jammin at school!
Can Ya do Smokin In The Boys Room,,old style like Brownsville station(Crue was good too tho)?! It does mention teachers.
Or maybe try The Martian Boogie!
a second for Smokin in The Boys Room
you are sexy no matter what you do, but, i hope they pay you a lot of money for this, because you will look so much better in a rock video
i bet you would rather see youself in a rock video.
youself?
I can imagine that you were stuck between a rock and a hard place trying to decide which genre of music to do. I reckon you got it Jazzt right. Did you consult your Pop for advice about this one ? Cos if you did he can take the rap for it.
OMG. Human spell checkers.
Are you calling me human Captain ?
Do I look human eh ?
that was really funny.
and completly true sadly…
HOT DAMN, TOO COOL. MORE LIKE THIS. MORE OF YOU
Absolutely Suberb.
Shame about the fat ugly blonde woman !
Oooops will people stop sending hate mail, my hallway isn’t big enough to cope and the floorboards aren’t that strong.
As a highly dedicated dancer that has dances daily I must compliment your rhythmical sense (musicality) . Really good.
I wish that you did West Coast Swing. ;Last June I was first to dance with the 5 times world champ on her UK debut. I guessed that with a name like Tanya her mum was a Russian living in California, so I asked her to dance in Russian and beat all the other vetted men on novelty factor..
This was her debut championship 6 years ago
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb3N1iWIHZc
As for your outfit Marina it should be x rated.
I find it very difficult to believe that you have so many talents.
Presumably that is not your voice (Tell me it is and I will get the next flight to the US make a single with you. Guaranteed no 1).
If you ever want me to write a song, then tell me the subject and hey presto
Is that really a Wallace & Gromit avatar, cool, my first driving experience was my dad’s Austin A30 just like the Wallace car, went to see the Movie at the theater just for the car & loved the two characters just as much.
BTW Enjoyed the dance vid. & watched some more of them, they are good.
Most of the people you watched I have danced with freestyle with at some time of other.
Well here’s another video. You will laugh your arse off or maybe just smile not in a condescending way B, but in absolute total admiration.
This guy would do Robert the Bruce or Django Reinhard proud.
Yes i got bored with looking at the plonker in the suit waistcoat and bow tie (me) . Decided that Wallace is far better looking and that no one would want to see a real a picture of my ugly mush. (yes I think I was the only one ever to post to post a genuine picture here ) My you tube channel of the same name still has my photo to torture all of the retards that leave abusive comments for Marina.
W + G is my favourite along with the fairly new Shaun the sheep series. Do you get it in Canada BillyB ?
It is absolutely hill-hairy-arse. More childish but much more funny.
Why does your Gravatar only show one of your eyes ?
Sorry practicing for for national Idiot Competition forgot to post the URL sorry
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wqB0YwBddlo
My own pic didn’t work well that small.. only put part of the car in, so you could tell what it is. I have a pic of my bird, but too lazy to change it up yet.
That was good vid… see my reply above to sniperskya, needs encouraging I think.
I reckon Now that Marina has got the site working at triple the speed, she can increase the gravatar sizes by 25% so that we can all make out what each other’s gravatars are supposed to be. Not of them I just can’t make out.
Hi BillyB
Not quite sure what encouragement snilperskayer needs if it is about the diet, it is a Russian culture thing so I have asked my hamster to answer. He is from Siberia.
Its ok, I thought sniper.. was feeling a little discouraged or something. I misunderstood him, happens a lot, so thanks for answering. Your back to your dapper old self, is it easy to switch back & forth? Picture I have is of a Ferrari from Alberta that a guy crashed & brought it out here (Victoria, B.C.) to have it fixed. Just took a couple of random shots & this one seemed to come out best, small.
Marina-
Fantastic! This is a superb video! I loved it! Fun, sexy and very imaginative.
-saratoga
very good vid by Marina and JamesatWar
Marina’s ‘Bringing Sexy Back’
Now I’m gonna finish me post wit sum bad grammah
kewl
Well. Ok. My bad.
The boyz and grrls from Mensa loved it.
You ROCK!!!
Wow! That wasn’t not bad! Gooder Than I thought I was gonna be.
‘er…both my grammars r dead…
but i’d prolly b ‘appy to do the time for James’ crime…
luved it, oh Queen of Etiologyland…
yo that shit b da bomb baby
Wow. Gr8. Looks like you may have plenty of time on your hands…etc…
…No worries. Gr8 dancing, grammar correction, ‘acting’ etc…
Canada – Russia – World Hockey Championships this weekend.
Any bets Marina ?
Or are you just a California girl now ?
so who’s the brunette one?
I asked the same thing and JamesatWar said its the girl singing the girl part of the song…more in the desscription
great, thanks.
All you guys were great in that video! I’ve never heard of JamesatWar before.(Thats what people say when they’ve only had the internet for three weeks. hello)Hes good! And yes, i am going to say it- he is a lucky dog!…in my world anyway. And no, im not ringing from prison over here!
great video, good lyrics, nice rythm
all tree youse gots skills baby!!!!
If’n I gots the bad gramma, Is jus’ gonna due my best ‘n gets my less’ns to speakin right from youse guys.
mmm sexy!!!!
Cute, Marina.
Me grammar bad, me love video. I need stay in detention with HotForWords. Poor me…
Seriously, great video. And HFW, you are looking amazing.
Entertaining as ever, my teacher. Don’t slow down one little bit, you’re on your way.
Five stars.
I agree she has been cruising down the freeway for quite some time and now she has changed gear. (teachers outfit now)
Alll kidding aside Marina, nice abs!
Grammar would always bake me cookies and set me on her lap and read me a story. Say what you want about the woman, she weren’t bad to me!
Very clever lyric and the hottest teacher I have ever seen
x for teacher x