As my favorite Russian gypsy once told me: “Sure, man pays … but who paid for my hair? Who paid for my nails? For my new dress? …. and why I did all that? … ” So, I’m on Marina’s side … man supposed to pay! Or, in the words of another sage: “Man’s money is for paying bills …. woman’s money is for spending.”
I had a Dutch Uncle, a person that criticizes…A Dutch treatment in regards of food was not much to start with. Buy your own or drink until the cows come home. Great random lesson and love your sister the most
haha that opener was cute HFW I don’t believe any man asks you to pay on a date though. Reminds me of some of HFPs “stories” A for effort though =P JK I LOVE YOU!
i am proud that we use to be big on the ocean in the early days.
we are today a rich country thanks to the V.O.C. tradings
i not proud of the fact that we enslaved people.that was very wrong
well anyways i think thats where
THE FLYING DUTCHMAN came from
but i aint sure anymore
HE IM DUTCH,and i never let a woman pay her share of the bill.
unless she asked me on a date and wont let me pay.
funny that english people have so many words to insult the dutch
all i can say is . whatever
i dont care the english liberated us in ww2 ,so i forgive them.
Hang on a mo, you went out on a date( ) and he suggested going Dutch!!!!!!!! He doesn’t like you that much, maybe or with all this PC he could be scared not to have offered!!!
I have been on dates, in the past, and with me being a bit old fashioned and a hopless romantic, I always paid for the date. If I do offer to go Dutch, its because things didnt click or work out, that chemistry thing I guess. Hmmm, if I were you, I would be feeling a bit, odd, about it.
Love to take you out and show you how not to go Dutch. If both you and Sis are up for it then I guess we could go double dutch, but I wouldn’t feel right about that either….nope, a date like this should never go Dutch. Never!
Hey, haven’t seen you around in awhile… you good? Marina is quite practiced in the art of deception & innocent seduction… anyways I was shocked that someone, human, would actually wait ’til the bill came… thought about it for a nanosecond, no way I could believe that story, Warren got it first in the comments below. cheers
Hey BillyB, i’m good and thanks for asking. Trust all well with you.
Has been raining cats & dogs of late! The cats rained so hard I lost my job. 18months of hard graft down the plug and for nothing! Looking forward to doing something else that I have in mind. Job loss followed by eviction from this amazing house I live in. Its all due to this beautiful dog named Duke that I have seemidly adopted from friends of mine. Lease stipulations say no to animals ( but they let me in okay!) – Paulie works overseas leaving his partner Nicky alone with a third baby on the way. Duke is not for the fainthearted, Staffy, big, 2 half years old. Couldnt say no to the fella, is a softy. Currently resting at my feet suckling on a (another!) towel, daft thing. Has been great to train correctly too. Just got him together on the lead when walking. He use to pull, at great speed untill I introduced the dog whisperer tricks in to play. You know, dominant not aggressive. Seems to work. Besides, I couldnt do but try and find a place for us both, which all being well may have
Another friend of mine accidently stabbed his girlfriend one evening! Showing off on how to disarm a gun or something. I go out for one pint to relax but end up nursing Faye. I guess I have been on the end of so many paramedics I knew the proceedure. Shook up none the less, she is so lucky to be here now. Four stiches only. She says that now she has a better understanding of how life is too short. Shes making plans to go travelling.
What else, the G-sibs have been great. I get to baby sit more now as master Ben is nearly three. Ended up in the pool after the three of them used some Judo I tought them, litlle sh**s!! Teaching Joseph Bass guitar as he dislikes accoustic guitars! Thinking he is a natural, seems to copy what I do very quickly and well. He wants to come and see Iron Maiden this week end in town. Far removed from some of the more sedate tunes we play. I guess he just wants to rock!
Is great to be able to re-join HFW’s – missed Marina loads too. Under her spell – The saying, out of sight out of mind does not ring true at all in this case.
So what have I missed in class, whats the gossip?
Anyhoo BillyB, its 3am over here, three hours before Duko is due another run. Catch up soon in class. I have many word requests saved up….
Wow, got more of a responce than espected. You sound like a real caring guy, (I should expect nothing less of Marina’s subscribers). You’ll have fun catching up, the vids just keep getting better & I didn’t think it possible as the old vids are great. Makes me afraid to go away for awhile as time for catching up would be trouble in a busy life.
You’ll like the “Bi-cent” vid, you love dogs. Nice to hear you teach kids stuff & they use it, even against you, hehe. Hope the rain stops for awhile (where do you live?) & your new vetures prosper.
Accidental stabbing, wuh. My 18yr old kid went on three day ambulance ridealong with a paramedic crew. On the first day, in the first couple of hours, he witnessed his first death. A woman in her thirties, died of cardiac arrest while working at a wellness conference. Oh the brevity if life. Be strong & move forward with confidence that your care of people builds a good legacy. Cheers
Hey BillyB, how are you today? Wellness eh? best get into a unhealthy life style!! I did a months work in a hospital once, next to the morge. Ever seen a stiff twitch before?? I made the 100mtr sprint in record time. Life can be ironic at times. – Had a few days kicking about with Duke, long walks rid the cobwebs between the ears. Lady luck came knocking a few days ago, keep fingers crossed for me as may have a new contract to get stuck into. Early days but get a good feeling. Will mean endless phone and e mails sat indoors most of the time but could be worth it. You asked where I live, well south west of London, about 50 clicks or so. Near Henley on Thames. Get best of both worlds, countryside but a stones throw to town and city. How about you, where to do you live? I Didn’t get to go and see Iron Maiden live at the week end due to Duko feeling out of steps. Would not leave my side so baby sat and stayed with the fella, all good since, knocked my mum over when she popped over too. Thankfully she is a bit mad, and about Dukos size come to think of it! – Will be celebrating my God sons 7th b-day this coming Thursday. We are going ten pin bowls, king pin stylie, looking for forward to kicking his butt – Catching up on lesson has been fun. Doesnt Marina get better and better? Wow, life with out her wouldnt be the same. She is truley georgous in every way. Sui Generis.
Anyhoo BillyB, hunger to satisfy, see you in class take good care and be well
Matt (& Duko)
About other phrases using “Dutch.” When I was growing up, adults (esp. males, say uncles–Dutch uncles,definitely) thought it was amusing to give children “Dutch rubs.” These were hard “caresses,” usually of the scalp. This seems in keeping with the Anglo origins; a Dutch rub is a massage that is more like an assault.
Going “Dutch” definitely has it’s time & place: friends (only) & you eat together often & have basically the same budget, she asks you out & picks the restaurant, unless ‘you’ the guy decide it’s time to make the big move (and I’m not talking sex here!)…
But on a ‘date’ where you (the guy) pick the place etc. he was either poor, confused, metro, a kid, listened to bad advice or something I’m leaving out–or all of the above…
Some countries i.e. Germany ‘dutch’ is more the norm.
Hi my dear teacher,
here in Italy going dutch is said “alla romana”, that means “in the Roman way”.
Does that mean that people from Rome do not pay for their date? Good question, but unfortunately there is no HotForWords teacher for Italian language…
Friends should “go dutch”, though it’s nice to treat one another from time to time. If I’m inviting someone out, it should be my choice where and my responsibility to pay.
If I am asked out by a woman I will offer to pay my share of the bill, but if I asked you out on a date marina I would definitely pay the whole bill. Asking you would be lame!
Hello my dear teacher….
Just a short answer to my homework. I think going dutch should be the basic way to go on a date, even though I can pick up the tab for the woman, I don´t think it should be expected or demand of me…. maybe the swedish way, huh? …
As long as the guy went Dutch AFTER the date, then he’d make it worth your while. Dude’s gotta at least go down on you if he’s going to make you pay half. It’s a fair enough rule that seperates the men from the boys.
Thing is, going Dutch is usually worked out BEFORE the meal. A guy calling it in at the end of the meal may not be planning on any further dates. Looks like the guy must have decided he wasn’t getting any dessert afterwards, so he decided to save a buck or two at Marina’s expense. Some guys have silly ways of responding to rejection.
The only one who can really answer her homework question is Marina. This is the 21st century… you can pay for all, half, or none of the date. Hell, you don’t even have to date to hook up with a man. Personally, I’d rather make a meal for a woman at home than take her out to a restaurant. I don’t do the date thing because it is too unromantic and standard in my eyes. Besides, thanks to craigslist and other online avenues, dating is somewhat obsolete. I met, fell in love with, and am in a very solid relationship with a young woman I met online a few months back. We met up, hung out, and fell for each other without ever going out on a date. Such is modern love in the internet age. Emails, IMs, and text messages kind of bypass the dating thing, as intimacy and infatuation can be established without the old standards of dating, dining, going to a movie, etc. Why, the term ‘going Dutch’ is entirely missing from my vocabulary as I haven’t bothered doing the dating thing for quite some time. Cool lesson, tho.
Marina, I think you’re pulling our leg (what’s the origin of THAT?). I cannot believe that any guy would ask you to pay your own way. Ridiculous! That would be self-destructive behavior!
And what is the origin of the name “Dutch,” anyway. The so-called “Dutch” don’t call themselves that, do they?
If I asked a woman out and she didn’t know me that well, then I would certainly pay for the evening, however if we new each other and we didn’t have much money, then I would say it would be mutually agreed that we would go Dutch, and hey being equal in all makes you feel good anyway!
On the other hand, if a lady was to ask me out, then I would probably want to go Dutch, (Only given that the lady would not be offended!), although, if I have enough money I would most likely ask the lady if I could pay for her meal as it feels good to give.
If going dutch became the norm there’s nothing weird with that. Proper etiquette would be if you agree to go dutch from the outset, fine, or if the lady offers, fine. If the guy says “let’s go dutch” when the bill comes – dump his ass, he’s really saying “this date wasn’t worth a little extra cash outlay”.
Other Dutch words – Dutch oven, double Dutch, pass the Dutchie…
I have allways payed for one night …then the date Im on next week or the next day pay…..we woild take turns ….Like 50 / 50……as you go out more You both pay for bits here and there on the date … .
Marina there is the largest Shopping center in europe very close to me …i would ASk you you to jion with me and Go dutch shopping and eating…there its called Blue water….masiive place good there…
Dutch wife, a body length pillow
Dutch angle, in film, a severely tilted camera angle
Dutch book, a method of guaranteeing a profit in gambling
The Dutch Barns in New York are the best built 17′th and 18′th century barns. Now there is a preservation society:
dutchbarns.org.
If we are only sharing a meal, then I expect we each pay our own way unless one of us is economically disadvantaged.
If we are going to an event after the meal, I prefer one person arranges and pays for the meal, the other does so for the event.
What is happening with the “Recent Comments”?
We seem to be going back in time. Am I getting younger? Is the universe shrinking? Is there intelligent life BEFORE Hotforwords?
Yep… Thar’s a haywire a-running through this here barn, plain and simple. Second, nope…you are not getting younger. Third, the univere is expanding whilst the university implodes, and finally, Hotforwords is the exception that proves the rule.
Yea!! All my students (well all 3 of them) passed their 100 Ton Masters class. Two crab fisherman and one tugboat gal will be soon licensed captains. Im going to miss those guys.. Im sure they will make great skippers where the winds take them.
I’m hoping that the hot tub on the ‘Time Bandit’ gets wired up before they leave for Alaska. I want to say ‘I sat in a hot tub on a crab boat’. I think this might be a worlds first of a crab boat having a tub installed on such a vessel.
Isn’t a “Dutch Cap” some form of contraceptive device? Which reminds me, whilst we’re on the European theme……why do we use the terms “French Letter”…..and……”French Kiss”…?
I was curious about the origin of the word withers (the ridge between the shoulder bones of a horse, or any quadruped) checked a little and came up with something about widersones. little help?
well i dont think that the dutch treat is rely a good idea on a date …actuali I realy think its a stupid one… btw,Marina can u pls tell me the name of the song at the end of this video
great vid marina. very informative Always wanted to know what Double Dutch was
* cut & pasted comment of my comment from youtube *
From the comments that I have read on this video.. I think that as a dude, I would do the chivalrious thing and pay for both the date’s and my meal.
I personally think that if either party was truly not bothered with going dutch on their meals, that they should be allowed to do so. But do so very rarely.
However, it would be more chivalrious if the guy pays for both. Hopefully the age of chivalry is not dead
great video. forewarned is forearmed if both agree before the date, meal or event then dutch treat is okay. However, a dutch treat should not be sprung on others at the time of the bill.
Hi. Love your videos (beautiful). Anyway, I’d like to know the origin of the phrase “that’s smarts” – usually when someone hurts themselves such as stubbing their toe. While highly painful, it’s usually of short duration.
There is Double Dutch which is jump roping, but it doesn’t carry the negative connotation that “dutch” does as you inform. Something I will now try to strike from my vocabulary now that I understand it’s prejudicial beginnings.
hmm hot for words
sorry but your lesson on dutch was a bit out of line and insulting for some words… i am a dutch guy 100% and i am proud of it… but we are not so bad as you described us.. in that lesson…
In the tropics where it is hot and sticky, men would sleep with large pillows between their legs to stay comfortable. These pillows were referred to as “Dutch Wives”. Another term used in my childhood involved attaching the word dutch to a situation where one was in some sort of trouble, usually minor. “Billy did not come home on time and got in dutch with his dad.”
ur eyes were just awsome today and tht yellow outfit WOW i was born in Holland and if u were my DATE!!!! believe me ill pay for everything sweetheart than ill give u a special DUTCH TREAT see the word has different meanings depends on how u use tht fraze HUGSSSSSS
Actually this is about Ironic…
After thinking about it a while, ironic has come to mean exactly wrong. The attorney who successfully defended the murderer only to be murdered by him did what he was trained to do. If the defense was unsuccessful the Attorney would still be alive. The formula for irony then becomes: take a sentence and find the true/false verb and invert it.
Thanks
dingdao
I never heard of the term “going Dutch” before but I always assumed that it was kind of a unspoken rule that guys pay on the date. When I first asked my GF out I payed on the date. This dude sounds stingy I say lose him.
He asked you out then wanted you to pay your own way without having established that prior to the date? Anytime a gentleman asks a lady out it is automatically assumed that he will pay for and coordinate the evening’s activities unless he establishes first that you will be going “Dutch”. Lose that cheapskate! (BTW, where did the word “Cheapskate” come from?)
If you are going “Dutch” it’s not really a date per se, you’re just hanging out with a friend. If that’s how the Dutch do it then maybe that’s why they have so many dykes in Holland.
For my homework I offer the phrase “Pennsylvania Dutch”, who are a group of people who settled in Pennsylvania in the 1700-1800’s but were German and not Dutch! However since they said they were “Deutsch”, which is the German word for “German”, the locals misinterpreted it as “Dutch” and the name stuck.
(Hope all your dates aren’t so cheap, Marina.)
I would be interested in that since I fly RC Helis. Hey cool flash on your adbirds site. I think I have the perfect name for your bird. Its my old Navy nick name. It even works with your company name Ad Birds.
Include words with Dutch in them? How about a word origin from the Dutch? ‘Yacht’ : From th early modern Dutch ‘jaght(e)’, now ‘jacht’, literally a ship for chasing, a light fast, and possibly piratical vessel, from ‘jagen’, to chase or hunt. First attested in 1557 in The Voyage of Stephen Burrought, Hakluyt, Principal Navigations, second addition (1598), I, 294.
Wikipedia:
Yacht in modern use designates two rather different classes of watercraft, sailing and power yachts. Yachts are differentiated from working ships mainly by their leisure purpose: they are comfortable conveyances owned by the wealthy. It was not until the ascendancy of the steamboat and other types of powerboat that sailing vessels in general came to be perceived as luxury items. However, since the level of luxury on larger yachts has seen an increasing trend, the use of the word yacht to mean any sailing vessel has been diminishing and is more and more limited to racing yachts or cruising yachts. Later, the word came to designate a wider range of vessels, almost always in private use (i.e. not used for commercial carriage of cargo or passengers), propelled by sail, power, or both, and used for pleasure cruising or racing.
Yacht lengths generally start at 36–40 feet (11–12 m) and go up to hundreds of feet. A mega yacht generally refers to any yacht (sail or power) above 100′ or 34 m and a super yacht generally refers to any yacht over 200′ or 70 m.
In simple terms. Private boat used for pleasure is a Yacht. Hey if it floats and you have fun on it then its a yacht.
Oh BTW. Picked up a First Edition (1976), Premium condition ($$$) ‘The Oxford Companion to Ships & the Sea’. Damn you Marina Look what you got me back into. Are you trying to make me into a Etymologists?
ooooh that sound good. I really missed my water bed. It was my favorite piece of furniture. Now I live on a yacht, my bed rocks a tad bit but its not as comfortable as my water bed was.
Marina – Here is one you haven’t had yet – when a small group of peolple get together (typically) against another and plan a trick or try to beat someone at something with out letting them know – they are usually IN KAHOOTS together. Check it out – Spasibo nasha krasavitsa!!!!
Dear Marina, there are actually two words I wish to ask you to explain to me. They are hullabaloo (which has been requested before, I know) and sorry. If you can help me out I’d be very happy (happy..? there’s another one!)
Thanks! Love your vids, btw.
HotForWords, to answer your question of whether or not everyone should “Go Dutch” when dating, I must say, “Definitely, not!”–especially on first dates. Traditionally, protocol dictates that the one asking for the date pays. When trying to impress a young lady, I would not even dream of asking her to pay. Now that women are working and have their own money, they offer to pay their share, more often so they won’t feel obligated to serve breakfast, if you know what I mean. If dating for a while and disposable incomes vary, I would still say splitting the cheque is NOT the way to go. When I take a woman to an expensive dinner, I certainly do not expect her to pay her share–if she persists, I suggest she pay for the next one. This way, if she has less money, she can still have the satisfaction of paying for both of us, and enjoy the benefits of my larger income, without the burden of the expense. In any case, quibbling over money is poor etiquette, so if one insists on paying their own way, let them.
I think it would be better if ALL first dates were “Dutch”… but only with advanced warning — like when you are asking the person out. If you don’t let the person know up front, then whoever asked HAS to pay.
But, since most guys are less than desirable anyway, they must bribe the girls to go out with them and so the deal is “You’ll get a free meal if you go out with me”.
“Since most guys are less than desirable anyway”?,
“You’ll get a free meal if you go out with me”?
I am sorry that you have such a low opinion of men. You must go on a lot of dates to make such blanket statements about the male of the species. If the guys that you are meeting truly are attempting to bribe you with dinner for a few hours of companionship, please explain other methods of seeking companionship. If it is simply that you don’t like the guys who are offering dinner, please don’t claim that most guys must bribe girls with a free meal–search out other venues to find guys with whom you would like to have dinner.
I like the yellow top myself Jack. Thats why I stopped the video half way and I am trying to think up new ideas to go along with the new sexy words she wants us to help add to her videos titles.
How is one to help with video titles if one doesn’t know the word she is working on next?
I’ve always been a big fan of swimsuits. There was a time I designed a few suits and had this one gal model them at a show. I didn’t win any prizes but she did win something at the show. Hummm thats a hobby I should get back into again.
Why does Marina have it now Jack doesn’t fit you anymore? Have you seen wordmonger around lately? He’s got an extra treat his name up in the preview pic. now that’s status.
Oh too funny there Billy. Ya my man boobs are getting bigger. Soon I wont need to look at Marina’s fun bags. I’ll have my own to play with. Ain’t cross dressing fun Billy? What was it you where wearing yesterday?
Yes I seen that his name is in the preview pic. What an honor. Funny how some of the students get picked and you don’t see them ever again. Humm….
Hey Billy, I just thought of something when I was walking back to my yacht today from class. Out of millions of YT viewers and students, we (the daily contributors to HFW) are the top dawgs for blogging on HFW site. Thats about two dozen or so of us out of millions. Interesting hu?
Здравствуй, Марина. Прошу объяснить, откуда пришло в английский язык слово “hell”; как оно использовалось, изменения в обороте этого слова(если произошли).
Teach, Why are you so quick? Are you on a time limit? Can You talk as long as You like? Why not then, You have all the stuff out anyhow. No need to rush, . Like……what is on your mind , Today or when ever. You could do a little commentary. No need to edit, The out takes are the Best. 10-15 mins. Your Minions need to be educated.
I think everyone should go dutch. I suppose it doesn’t sound very gentlemanly (is that a word?) but when I’m on a date with someone the important thing is spending time with them and most of ladies I’ve gone out with feel weird if I pay for everything. There are exceptions of course, no one should pay for a meal on their birthday. As for the video, I give it five out of five.
dutch oven dutch chocolate, being in dutch,
pass the duchy ‘pon the left hand side?
what about the third date (unwritten) rule?
you cannot enforce that, so – go dutch!
Gawd – slow down….!
#1& #2 the third date rule: basically states that if you go on a third date with a woman, then consent between adults is a logical progression. If you’re being played, there is no consent and you should get out of this relationship – unless you’re into being played!
#3a,b,c normally this is understood by men who have dating experience, and need not be explained, or written down, per se. SINCE YOU HAVE ASKED, I have tried to provide that information which will allow you to reach your own conclusion concerning this.
Are you good, now? Hope so!
One reason I moved out of Long Beach, CA is because women where in the fad of playing men. But I have found out the same damn thing happens in almost any large city. So I started dating women from other countries. I’ve been much happier and successful with this approach.
Foreign or domestic, it’s really the caliber of
the woman that matters.
Smart is sexy and Marina is that (UH-HUH!).
The whole self-absorped, whimsical, lack of focus and direction persona, ala Paris Hilton, for example; just doesn’t work for me. Too vacant, too angry… (other descriptive words come to mind…). For a woman like that, familiarity breeds contempt.
Marina is a rare item of great value,
She is a kind of virtual girlfriend unlike any other.
We get to “interact”; she gets to pick and choose….
Hmmm…guess we’re both enjoying being “played” eh?! LOL
Well, she does have us all interacting with each other – a compensation for the limited time she has to spend on us.
In fact, all we get for input are brief, well-scripted, polished, video and sound bites (product, if you will) – and occasional peeks behind-the-scenes, Sounds clinical in the analysis, but there are no ulterior motives revealed. Clearly the girl is down to earth at heart, and that is damn attractive. She must enjoy teasing with so many of us at one time… nothing sinister there! Anyway – this is a bunch to read…
“Foreign or domestic, it’s really the caliber of
the woman that matters.”
Yes thats true. I have found many women here in the USA are all sucked in the marketing giants programming. The make people think you need this and that, and to think like this and that. I can see this better than anyone because I help develop some of the concepts of turning useless crap into something that you just got to have. In other countries that is not that apparent. But I see this changing rapidly.
“The whole self-absorped, whimsical, lack of focus and direction persona, ala Paris Hilton”
Oh I see this very well. And many young girls want to imitate Paris Hilton. Its the blind Lemming building armies of blind Lemmings.
Being played? Yea you might be right. And yes I see she comments very little on her blog. Her having us interact with other readers does seem to make her blog look very active. Your thought makes me kind of feel used in a way. Am I just here to keep her little blog active? Was I stupid enough to fall for the oldest trick in the book? Maybe… But I am having fun here and love commenting here with you all.
If Marina stopped blogging in her own site, I would still be on here everyday. I would miss her very much. Yes she is attractive physically, but I find her mind even more attractive. Even if she was a 102 year old hag I would still want to know her thoughts, feeling, teachings, etc.
I think you may have gone too far re: 102 yr old hag reference – LOL
Don’t feel used – no need. You had full knowledge and awareness going in, like watching a remake of a good movie. Speaking of which, “Day the Earth stood still” will be out 12/08. Keanau Reeves playing Klaatu. A fresh audience will see it as their introduction to this “new” materiel. To me, it’s a classic. I’m hoping the writers and editors have done a good job paying homage to the original, and have not doofed it up. So will I go see it? Yes is the answer, of course. I know it won’t be “art”, but I will be entertained.
Am I stupid? if it turns out to be a horrible chick flick – yes, that would be stupid, but not MY stupidity! I’m hoping for the best – giving Hollyweird the benefit of the doubt. They could still use me (by getting me to pay good money to watch a bad movie), and since I let that happen, my choice, that would make me feel stupid.
Now if I go back and see it three times, knowing it is baaaaad – then that really would be stupid! I see it all the time – bad choices made just to be politically correct (PC). Check out any main stream TV news outlet for more than 11 seconds and you’ll probably see something stupid. uh oh times up
Well I wanted to use my head in a jar reference but I feel I have overused it.
Oh yea Im well aware of the feeling of being used. I even volunteered to help out. No reply has been made so Im assuming no help is needed or she doesn’t want my help. I must have fallen threw the cracks is my guess. The one thing that burns me the most is the lack of communications.
“Hollyweird” have not heard that term in a long time. 1987 I think. They keep get weirder and weirder every year. Im a big time movie watch but there is so much crap out there these days I have not been very active in making it to the theaters. Script writers have been doing the easy way out and find an old script from past movies and rewriting them. For example if you watch the old B/W version of Fast and Furious you will see its almost the same movie. There is a lot of copy paste writers out there. Very sad to see.
When I turn 13 mom said I can go out on dates, so this will be important info for me to know. Of course, so far no supermodels have taken a shine to my sparkin’, tho’.
Melika, When people stick with tradition because thats they way they where taught. Some people never question the knowledge that they are fed. Some people are lazy thinkers. They never question the Cool-Aid they drink.
I think if you look at it from our perspective (the viewer’s): Everyone is going with the flow, accepting the norm, and moving backwards (regressing?), except the two giants at the beginning. THEY are the ones moving forward (making progress?), and the guy wants to go against the norm and become like them. In doing so, he discovers he can accomplish extraordinary feats and overcome massive barriers. In the end, he becomes a giant, and the little girl we saw in the beginning wants to be like him.
ps. When the Guy asked you pay your own bill and the first thing you thought of, was about Dutch Women? I would have thought ,” What a Jackass and I have a HEADACKE!!!!!!! TAKE Me HOME, “
Hullabaloo and Shindig were both 1960’sTV music shows.
You might say they were the forerunners to MTV. There was also Hee Haw which covered the country music audience. I couldn’t tell you the origin, but I think it might be related to “Hubbub” as used to describe “a happening” or an event where people get emotionally excited. Your question is a good one and deserving of a better answer than I can provide. Let’s hope Marina picks up on it.
Marina,
I was watching Meet The Press this morning. They were talking politics and mentioned the word “Poppycock” . The first thing I thought of was you….. Can you help?
Thanks
As for going Dutch? Who asked who out? If you asked someone out you should pay. If they offer to pay their share….. Great
Meet the Depressed? Dude, don’t let those morons do your thinking for you. your brain will go to ROT from it! better to spend your time in church! LOL
At least in church, they TRY to make sense!
Cue for another round of Bar jokes?
OK.
An Australian drunk goes into a bar and orders a large number of beers.
The barman asks him if he’s not troubled by the effect his drinking is having on his married life.
“No worries,” says the drunk, “It’s not a problem.”
“In that case,” says the barman, “why do you have 4 Ex wives and your children are all in Foster homes?”
A herd of buffalo can move only as fast as the slowest buffalo. When the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
That’s why you always feel smarter after a few beers, and that’s why beer is so GOOD for you!
guy walks into a bar and proceeds to get completly drunk and ends up pukin’ all over the front of his shirt. he says to the bartender, “what am i gunna do my wife is gunna kill me” bartender says, “easy, tell her you were walkin’ home from work and a guy bumped into you and threw up all over the front of your shirt” guy says “ok”. so the next morning the guy wakes up to his wife asking him “honey, what happened to your shirt?” and he says, “i was comin’ home from work and a guy ran into me and puked on me. but dont worry he gave me 20 buck to get it cleaned”. she says, ” but theres 40 dollars here” he says “yea, he sh*t in my pants too! ” i love that one …dont get me started i could go all nite!
Im a Master! I don’t have to bait anything. I order hot looking crew to bait the poles. This one gal is so good I think i’ll promote her to Master Baiter.
i was watching the movie forest gump last nite for the umpteenth time and im still not sure what the phrase “stupid is as stupid does” means. i have a few ideas but im not really sure to this day. i just can put my finger on it. does anybody out there know?…anybody–anybody thank you
pagedoll, sort of always consider the word is as a word that equates things, in the mathematical sense. So stupid is equal to as stupid does, which sort of translates like a = a+b, which isn’t very helpful in defining what the a in the statement a=a+b is actually understood to mean. The statement was probably coined by the script writers only to appear to sound witty with an audience. Sort of like those annoying laughing machines that are turned on during a sitcom after every second or third sentence said by anyone, …
“Handsome is as handsome does” basically means that true handsomeness has to do with a person’s behavior, not just a handsome face… Stupidity is not just a surface thing derived from a person’s appearance. Stupidity is a matter of deeds, not looks.
I always wonder why the girls are always beating down my door to go out with me. If they only knew of my true evil side
Here is an addition to Dutch treat. In early New York, the English called the Dutch John Cheese. The Dutch were so ticked off they
called the English the same, only in their own language, Jan Kees…
Yankees.
Love you!!
Yankee \Yan”kee\, n. [Commonly considered to be a corrupt
pronunciation of the word English, or of the French word
Anglais, by the native Indians of America.
The definition does go on to iterate several more:
According to Thierry, a corruption of Jankin, a diminutive of John, and a nickname given to the English colonists of Connecticut by the Dutch settlers of New York.
And yet another:
Dr. W. Gordon (“Hist. of the Amer. War,” ed, 1789, vol. i., pp. 324, 325) says it was a favorite cant word in Cambridge, Mass., as early as 1713, and that it meant excellent; as, a yankee good horse, yankee good cider, etc.
Oh Marina, can you save the day and set us all straight on this?
Since there are a few competing etymologies; Im placing my two cents in to pot. The Cherokee word ‘eankke’ (a slave of coward); a slang word for ‘excellent’; a native American corruption of ‘English’ (‘yengee’); and diminutive (‘yanke’) of the Dutch name ‘Jan’., Language of Sailing p 345
I was going to suggest that the Cherokee theory was questionable because the Cherokee did not live near New England. But after a little research it seems there is no such Cherokee word.
Personally given how Marina has taught us that the Brits use Dutch words to trade insults. I can see them calling Americans a bunch of “Little Johnny’s” given that the American militias were a rag tag bunch and probably seemed like pretend soldiers to the more organized British.
ummm… army is one branch of service, marines are another.
your question is unclear as you have intermixed the two
in a way that is not defined. hope this helps.
I agree with you SD. Serving in the Navy we had Marines station on my ship USS Missouri BB-63. Even their pay checks said paid out from US Navy. They are a very good bunch of guys (and gals).
Nowadays, Women don’t like men pay the food. They think that belongs to the past and it’s an machist mind. Well I have many girl friends who tell me that all time.
I was missing you so much my dear profesora, beauty Marinita
with love your dear student Gio
Gio, I’ve been asking this question to women here in Seattle, what women prefer and finding out many women that I have asked prefer to go Dutch or pay for the whole bill. I tend to respect women a bit more if they ask me out. I like to see their display of independence. I can’t stand women that act like leaches. If I see a women doing her own game, thats the women I would love to support when she slips and falls. I can only hope she returns the favor to me when I slip and fall.
By the wa that opening story had to have been made up. I can’t see any guy dumb enough to ruin a chance with you by asking you to pay at an expensive restaurant.
OMG!!! another human spell checker!! Wooop Wooop Woop
So melikadothechacha, or whatever your name is, Do you always end your sentences with two question marks??
Do I do that??
(didn’t the shock eye
emoticon convey the
sarcastic tone??)
Oh spellchecker, my spellchecker –
I was going to comment how
a teacher will sometimes
personify a story, as Marina
has done here, in order to
allow students to relate a
lheory to real world apps.
(obviously this dutch date
NEVER occurred in our
hemisphere – hence,
the sarcasm)
Thanks for keeping me
on my toes!!
It’s so nice to hear you say “I want to go outside”…sunscreen
I can’t believe a guy took you on a date, picked the place & waited till the bill came & then hit you with the dutch thing. Your reaction should have been filmed… & sold… harsh… so when are you seeing him again?
Pros’ did my homework before “Dutch Oven”
If you look at the times runawayscott & I posted our comments we basically said the same thing at the same time, “i can’t believe…” & “…story…made up”.
Good lesson though eh. I had no Idea the history behind “Dutch”, another example of the british “look down the nose” attitude. Before you jump all over me for that statement I’m not talking about the everday brits. but the snob class.
Funny thing, we were mailed a letter when our oldest boy was an infant, stateing that he was like eighth in line for some “Baron” status at some castle in England, & that he’d moved up the scale because one of the guys ahead of him was found to be gay. We had no inclination to kill off all the other succesors to gain that “Baron” status for him Since have found out the gay guy is back in line & because a whole pile of other relitives had a pile more kids he’s slid down the scale considerably. A little medication & therapy & he’ll be just fine
Yea I know the story is made up. Marina is getting good at make believe. I just thought I could feed the fire sorta speak. Like her make believe sister. But husssh. Don’t want anyone to find out. I wonder how many people we can sucker into this?
It’s so nice to hear you say “I want to go outside”…sunscreen
You know what I would say if I was over at her house watching her say that. I would stand up and say in a [Speaking to doggy voice] “Hey girl you want to go outside hu? You wantta go outside! Go get your leash. Common go get your leash. You wantta go outside! Ok lets go outside now!” Then I think Kobe would be confused of the whole show or want to go also.
I only go DUtch if the girl asks a question that involves how much money I make. I consider the conversation over atthat point. You look lovely Today Marina.
A long time ago, I had a woman ask me flat out how much money I made. I was in my mid twenties, but I said without skipping a beat that I had just crossed $250,000 a year, and expected to double that next year. I figured if she was ballsy enough to ask, I would be ballsy enough to lie.
Ok……well first of all I am pretty devastated that you were on a date with somebody other than myself or Bob…but what heartless bastard would not pay for the whole dinner? I am sincerely hoping that you fabricated these shinanagins.
On another note, I had actually never heard this phrase before, but there is a local restaurant that is called the Dutch Treat. lol I had never known what it meant until now. Thanks Marina!
I’ve always operated along the principle that the inviter picks up the tab, except in the dubious situation where a woman might say “hey, why don’t you take me to dinner tonight and we’ll talk…” or something similar.
Here’s a woman’s perspective on why a man should always pay on the first date – this woman actually wrote this stuff down herself:
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She might not see you again, if you don’t — I certainly wouldn’t. I fully expect a man to pay for the first date. I don’t care if that sounds sexist or just plain wrong. If you don’t pay for the first date, this will send the message you that don’t consider her a worthwhile recipient of your money. If you don’t think her worthy of a happy meal, you might not think her worthy of anything else, either. The subliminals on this can be pretty strong.
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It shows a woman you have standards — If you believe the man should pay on the first date, this lets a woman know you have values of some kind – be they right or wrong. It tells her you hold yourself accountable for something. It tells her you follow your own moral compass and aren’t easily influenced by trends. In a world full of wishy-washy metrosexuals, this holds quite a bit of water, especially if the woman in question has a dominant personality.
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It shows a woman you can lead — Liberal though I am in a number of areas, I’m old-fashioned when it comes to this kind of thing. A man should be able to lead. (Note: This does not mean control!) If you can’t take the initiative in something small – like paying for meal – that tells me you’ll probably lack leadership in other areas as well. I can lead myself just fine, but I don’t want to have to lead you, too.
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It shows a woman you have an instinct to provide — Notice I didn’t say it shows you can provide. Having and spending the dosh on dinner aren’t the issues here. A woman wants to know you want to pay for dinner – that you get some kind of satisfaction out of it. It makes her feel cared-for. Cheesy as it sounds, the presence of this feeling is crucial to the longevity of any relationship she’s in. If you make her feel like a burden on the first date, her subconscious will suggest she find someone who doesn’t.
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It shows a woman you’re not a tightwad — This doesn’t mean she’s a gold digger. But, come on, if you get bent over the price of a necessity like food, that doesn’t bode well for any other expenditures. If she thinks you’re the type to complain about every little penny, she’s not going to want to see you again. Who needs that kind of headache?
Why bitch Alx and Pros ?
I think she is absolutely right.
If a man doesn’t care enough about a lady to buy her a meal on a first date, he shouldn’t ask her on the date in the first place.
Long term we may be talking differently of course.
Boot on the other foot now.
Who pays if the lady is keen enough to ask the man on a date ?
Should he offer or refuse to let her pay, or if the date was going well should he gracefully retreat reform and strike. ‘OK as long as I get to treat you to our second date in Paris next time ?’
Well, I can tell you that I found her first point to be utterly repugnant to both men and women. She refers to the woman being a “worthwhile recipient of his money” and that if he doesn’t pay for the whole meal, then the might not give her other things as well, as if relationships are about what money the woman might get from the man. Naturally, if he asks her, then he pays, unless he announces it before hand that it will be dutch – but if she doesn’t like that idea, she should simply say no. It’s not the paying or not paying that’s the issue for me with this person- it’s her attitude.
Then she compares paying for the meal with having a “moral compass,” which is just plain ridiculous. Any woman who thinks like that can find some other sucker to fleece.
And the last point refers to a guy getting “bent” over a necessity like food. Well, he’s not necessarily getting “bent” over it, and it’s a necessity for both of them and neither one of them is any more obligated to provide than the other. And then she says that if he’s not willing to pay for her meal, then it doesn’t “bode well for future expenditures” – repeating her belief that the relationship would entitle her to expenditures by him on her behalf.
I have no problem paying for a meal on the first date, and do so invariably. However, if I knew the woman had an attitude like the one who wrote the article I posted I would not go out with her at all.
As for the boot on the other foot – if the lady asks the man out on a date, then wouldn’t it be understood that she pays, unless it is discussed beforehand. I mean, that’s just common courtesy. If you invite ANYONE to dinner with you, the expectation is that the one extending the invitation is going to pick up the tab unless it’s pointed out in advance.
OK let’s take that further . You go out with a friend of same sex. You say come on let’s go for an Indian/Chinky etc.
Now is you were male you would all be flexing the muscles and insisting you pay.
If you were a lady, the calculators would be out of handbags
I would make Marina pay (including gas money) and give me a foot rub after dinner but her sister I would give her a feast fit for a queen and grovel at her feet as a slave.
Who needs a vivid imaginations when my real life is already like this. Though I am looking for a drug that makes my life more like others have. You know the 8 to 5 job, working in a 5 X 5 cubical, bumper to bumper traffic jams, A boss that makes you work weekend, a shoe box filled with bills, a dead end job with absolutely no opportunity to get promoted, etc.
1. Yes always 42%
2. It depends if I like him 4%
3. Sometimes 34%
4. No, both should share the cost 11%
5. No the girl should pay 1%
6. Only if it’s expensive 0%
7. No opinion 7%
[wow - almost 1/2 of women polled said that a person's sex automatically requires the gift of a free meal be bestowed...]
[Where's that 1%???? Can someone find her and give me her number?]
Not totally, but mostly – you are right, little can be concluded from the stats without understanding the process used, demographics, etc.. It’s just the only thing I could find quickly.
I found, however, that the statistics jogged roughly with what I expected to be the case.
Oh I have to tell you this. Two years ago I had two girls take me to a strip club with female dancers in B.C., Ca. I was in awe the whole night, not of the dancers but of the girls that took me there. What a crazy night!
that was some twelve years ago, so I don’t remember the whole story. she suggested a few places, I think. she said she’s cool with hooters, she been there a couple of times.
I also remember a pair of big boobs (I was young) asking me what kind of cheese I want, I remember explaining those boobs why I didn’t want any ice in my sprite. — then explaining the girl I was there with how I was _not_ looking at the waitress’s boobs. not because she was pissed or anything, just as a matter of principle.
The funniest thing I saw at a Hooters was one down in Florida as well. A mother and a father for some reason were there eating with their young son – probably around 12 years old. He couldn’t help himself, and was ogling the waitress something fierce. And, then his mother yelled at him, and scolded him for doing so. I thought it was hilarious – like bringing a kid to a candy shop and expecting him not want any….
I guess everyone has heard the story about the little Dutch boy who saved the country from being flooded by plugging a leaky dike with his finger, but do you know the whole story?
Apparently, this little Dutch boy was out one day playing in the tulip fields with his dog when he came upon a place where, due to recent heavy rains, the pressure of water was proving too much for the dike to hold back and a trickle of water was seeping through the wall.
The boy was young and inexperienced and didn’t know what to do about the situation or how to mend the dike. However, he was smart enough to use his initiative, so he stuck his finger in the dike and sent the dog away to fetch his father, who would know what to do.
After a while the dog returned without the boys father, by which time the hole in the dike had grown in size so that the boys finger was no longer big enough to stem the flow of water. The boy told the dog to stick its nose into the hole while he went to get help.
Unable to find his father, who was out working in another field, the boy told his mother who came with him to see what the problem was.
On their arrival back at the dike, they found that the hole was now too big for the dogs nose to hold the water in check, so the woman put her elbow into the hole and told the boy to go and look for her husband.
The boy eventually found his father who had returned to the house for his lunch, and told him about the leaking dike, so they went back to see what was needed to mend the breach.
When they got to the woman, she was getting desperate as the hole had now grown alarmingly and was soaking her clothes.
The man new immediately what had to be done and plugged the hole by putting his buttocks against it as he gave instructions to his wife and son to bring him the tools and materials he needed.
Before long they returned and the man was able to effect a lasting repair.
And that, my friends, is why men always stand with their backs to the fire, women test the temperature of the baby’s bath with their elbow, dogs have cold wet noses and boys are always trying to poke their fingers into moist holes.
To My mind,the One that asks the Other out should be prepared to pay unless “going Dutch” was mentioned right from the git-go. To eat,then say, “wanna go Dutch on this?” is just bad form. One exception might be if the date is between people that do it often.
Going Dutch. Humm. Tough one for me. I’ve been on many dates where the women just dated me for a free movie and dinner. I hate being used like that. But when I invite a woman to go out with me I pay, and never ask to go Dutch. When a woman takes me out on a date I offer to pay for the tip. Its not the price of the dinner, or me being cheap. Its just I hate paying out all the time with someone I hardly know.
Ok back from class. I have to test my students out for finals tomorrow. Yea its the weekend for those who work Monday-Friday but sailors don’t know what a weekend is. If I want to take sometime off I just schedule it. Nice to be in a job like that, hu?
Now where was I? Oh yea. Going Dutch. I need to correct a statement I made previously. I hate paying for a first date if I think that woman is just looking for a free lunch. I have found that fact over time from friends that told me that such and such person does this to others. I hate when they play me for that. Of course this happened years ago. If your short on cash I’ll buy ya a lunch. But don’t talk sweet to me just to get food. That said, I still pay for the first lunch or dinner whatever that might be. Usually I do coffee first. I can usually read a person in 10 minutes or less (You learn how to read people in 22 years of sales, yet I have been wrong many times ).
As for whether or not is good or bad to go Dutch on a first date, I don’t have enough information to make that kind of decision because its all depends on the people dating. Really if you boil it all down it depends on the couples wants, need and desires. Heather (student of mine) prefers to go Dutch. She thinks that couples should go Dutch when dating. If her and I where to go out I think she would think less of me if I paid. If I remember right my sister also believes in going Dutch.
Money to me is almost irrelevant. Its just a transfer of work being done. If my students payed me in food, boat parts, new closets, for the teaching I did for them then great. I pay all that back in the services or products they make or sell. Trading is what money is and will always be.
On thing I like to do is buy a coffee, or a lunch, or a paper for a total stranger. Why? Because people are too bloody selfish these days. If I can give a bit to the people maybe they might pay it forward. I can only hope. One reason I like Yachting/Boating/Sailing whatever you wish to call it is that if my Yacht ever… well for example if the lines came undone and started to float away. Someone(s) would get it back to the dock and tie it back up and would ask for nothing in return. Boaters take care of there own kind. We are always giving. Its our lifestyle.
Going Dutch? Its irrelevant to me among friends. Risking my life so you can have cheaper gas prices. Now thats impressive!
What about the phrase to “sleep like a log”? Clearly, logs don’t sleep so that sounds kinda interesting…Also, kudos for having the patience for reading through all of these comments. Got my fingers crossed…oh wait…having your “fingers crossed” is a good one too…ah pfft, I guess i just requested two then…if it’s against the rules, my bad!
I think dutch rhythms with butch, so dutch has got to be gay.
I like the gay word californification please look that up in your Funk and Wagnel and give us the origins of californification
And may the rest of your life be the best of your life
Well raypsi and I are Federal Licensed Amateur Radio Operators. What this means we get to play on radios for a hobby and use for emergencies. “73″ was a short hand in Morse code to say “Best Regards” and I think “88″ meant Love and Kisses.
“N8ZU” and “N7MFE” are our call signs. Kind of like a license plate on a car. We have to use them on the air so people know that yes we have a license to transmit and if they need to report us to the FCC they have a number to identify us with.
Thanks for that cap. I thought it might be a American/English problem but no the closest I got to Ham Is in Wall Mart (called Asda here) or from flying aeroplanes which is different.
Come to think of it 88 is gay also, it means hugs and kisses, in the old telegraph days. Like “dah dah dah dit dit dah dah dah dit dit” in morse code.
I got a nokia phone 5185i it’s programmed to send my received text messages in morse code. I don’t even have to look at the screen to know what text messsage that was just sent. Now that’s really gay.
I saw the movie 23, when I researched 23 I found 23 means shutting down the station, but even the old hams I know never heard of 23.
That’s quite an ironically sexist way to put it, actually!
“we” respect the financial independence of “our” women?
The reason for the continued prevalence of the male-pay customer here in the U.S. is as much to do with women as with men. Men would be happy to respect the financial independence of women. Men, however, have to exist in a dating world where if they don’t pay, they run a higher risk of not getting a second date, being thought as cheap, poor, unattractive, not a good catch, etc.
Men are reacting to the culture as much as women – it’s not that “we” don’t respect “our” women here in the U.S. We simply have to meet expectations if we are going to make an impression. If the Netherlands has moved to a more equality approach, where women do not see the male paying as a sign or indication of anything, then more power to you. I can’t wait for it to happen here too.
You can do it anywhere, as long as you do it tactfully and up-front. You can offer to allow her to pay half the tab, for example. That way you can show both willingness to provide, while also showing respect for her independence. Or you can ask her to forgive you for paying her share of the tab as well as your own – which gives you time to explain and show your respect, which may lead to her offering to pay her own share of the tab, while feeling better about you for it.
Of course you “can” do it anywhere. It’s not a question of “can.” However, women here in the U.S. don’t want to pay for their portion of dates. They – in general – not saying “all” – don’t want to be given the opportunity to pay half the tab, and have no real care about having you prove their independence.
I couldn’t imagine saying something like you described to a woman on a date? Apologize for paying for her half? That would sound ridiculous in an environment where men customarily pay. What would the man be apologizing for? It’s normal for him to pay. It would be interpreted as a veiled hint that she SHOULD pay, and she’d go home and tell her friends about this weirdo who “apologized” for paying the bill.
And even stranger on an American date would be to “offer to allow her to pay half the tab.” What would one say? “Janie, this was a wonderful dinner. Allow me to offer to let you pay for half of the tab. It’s the least I can do.” An American girl would look at the guy like he had seven heads. She’d then take out her wallet and fumble out some cash and hand it to you, having been essentially told that the guy wants her to pay her way.
If women are that stuck-up old-fashioned about it, it says something about their personality…
Also, you don’t say it without explanation. To take your example, you would say: “Janie, this was a wonderful dinner. Now, do you want us to be old-fashioned or shall I allow you to pay your half of the tab? I want us to be equals.”
That way you convey your respect, while still allowing her the opportunity to refuse and tell you to pay the whole tab, in the old-fashioned pre-emancipation manner.
One, that would be interpreted by her as you asking her to pay her half – a roundabout hint that you think she should pay half. Nobody wants to be old fashioned, and everyone wants to be equals, thus, her only conclusion will be that if she doesn’t pay for 1/2 she will be thought of as old fashioned and not equal.
You also phrase this in terms of “allow.” She doesn’t need a man to “allow” her to pay or not pay. That itself is a ridiculously sexist way to approach the topic.
When a guy asks a woman out, in the U.S., the basic assumption is that he will pay, unless it is otherwise stated. When a woman asks a man out, the assumption is not the same. The man must be prepared to pay half, unless the woman insists. It just is what it is.
There is no special need to “convey respect,” and in fact going out of one’s way to specially convey respect is actually counterproductive. What one should do is simply behave in a respectful way, and treat a woman as an equal.
That being said, if you end a dinner as you have suggested, I think that the smart money will be on you being perceived as a creep or at best weird.
How about the origin of Turkish Delight? Also the name of an enormously successful (and very explicit) adult film made in the 70s by DUTCH director Paul Verhoeven (the same guy who later came to America to do Robocop, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, etc.). No doubt there are a number of “Turkish” expressions, too.
I’ve never asked a girl to go dutch with me. When i’m inviting, I’ll pay the bill..
oh yeah, for the next lesson: what is the origin of “hitting the head on the nail”? you say it whenever you are right or says the truth.. I’d like to know that =)
After watching this video I would say you had a “Dutch boyfriend”.
Dump that turkey.
The only way you should go dutch is if said that he wanted to go dutch when he asked you out. Either that… or if you guys are SO CLOSE that you are now sharing bank accounts.
double dutch bus
In Dutch, Double Dutch also has a different meaning
‘Double Dutch’ wil zeggen dat het meisje de pil slikt en bij het neuken ook nog een condoom wordt gebruikt.
I had a Dutch Apple Pie a few days ago… it was gooooodd
Dutch made not weird, just wanted to tell you.
As my favorite Russian gypsy once told me: “Sure, man pays … but who paid for my hair? Who paid for my nails? For my new dress? …. and why I did all that? … ” So, I’m on Marina’s side … man supposed to pay! Or, in the words of another sage: “Man’s money is for paying bills …. woman’s money is for spending.”
If that Intro is a true story, I must question your taste in Men…
…and of course that Pauly Shore rumor earlier on doesn’t help matters any…
It’s gotta be tough being YOU sometimes – doesn’t it?
I know the feeling.
I had a Dutch Uncle, a person that criticizes…A Dutch treatment in regards of food was not much to start with. Buy your own or drink until the cows come home. Great random lesson and love your sister the most
The man should pay
haha that opener was cute HFW I don’t believe any man asks you to pay on a date though. Reminds me of some of HFPs “stories” A for effort though =P JK I LOVE YOU!
I’m Dutch, but when a woman is out with me, I always pay
i mostly prefer to pay for the woman when I am on a date, but sometimes a girl will pay for me and I think that is cute and sweet.
i am proud that we use to be big on the ocean in the early days.
we are today a rich country thanks to the V.O.C. tradings
i not proud of the fact that we enslaved people.that was very wrong
well anyways i think thats where
THE FLYING DUTCHMAN came from
but i aint sure anymore
BTW i can be your dutch uncle if you want me too. lol
just kidding
HE IM DUTCH,and i never let a woman pay her share of the bill.
unless she asked me on a date and wont let me pay.
funny that english people have so many words to insult the dutch
all i can say is . whatever
i dont care the english liberated us in ww2 ,so i forgive them.
Hang on a mo, you went out on a date(
) and he suggested going Dutch!!!!!!!! He doesn’t like you that much, maybe or with all this PC he could be scared not to have offered!!!
I have been on dates, in the past, and with me being a bit old fashioned and a hopless romantic, I always paid for the date. If I do offer to go Dutch, its because things didnt click or work out, that chemistry thing I guess. Hmmm, if I were you, I would be feeling a bit, odd, about it.
Love to take you out and show you how not to go Dutch. If both you and Sis are up for it then I guess we could go double dutch, but I wouldn’t feel right about that either….nope, a date like this should never go Dutch. Never!
Hey, haven’t seen you around in awhile… you good? Marina is quite practiced in the art of deception & innocent seduction… anyways I was shocked that someone, human, would actually wait ’til the bill came… thought about it for a nanosecond, no way I could believe that story, Warren got it first in the comments below. cheers
Hey BillyB, i’m good and thanks for asking. Trust all well with you.
Has been raining cats & dogs of late! The cats rained so hard I lost my job. 18months of hard graft down the plug and for nothing! Looking forward to doing something else that I have in mind. Job loss followed by eviction from this amazing house I live in. Its all due to this beautiful dog named Duke that I have seemidly adopted from friends of mine. Lease stipulations say no to animals ( but they let me in okay!) – Paulie works overseas leaving his partner Nicky alone with a third baby on the way. Duke is not for the fainthearted, Staffy, big, 2 half years old. Couldnt say no to the fella, is a softy. Currently resting at my feet suckling on a (another!) towel, daft thing. Has been great to train correctly too. Just got him together on the lead when walking. He use to pull, at great speed untill I introduced the dog whisperer tricks in to play. You know, dominant not aggressive. Seems to work. Besides, I couldnt do but try and find a place for us both, which all being well may have
Another friend of mine accidently stabbed his girlfriend one evening! Showing off on how to disarm a gun or something. I go out for one pint to relax but end up nursing Faye. I guess I have been on the end of so many paramedics I knew the proceedure. Shook up none the less, she is so lucky to be here now. Four stiches only. She says that now she has a better understanding of how life is too short. Shes making plans to go travelling.
– The saying, out of sight out of mind does not ring true at all in this case.
What else, the G-sibs have been great. I get to baby sit more now as master Ben is nearly three. Ended up in the pool after the three of them used some Judo I tought them, litlle sh**s!! Teaching Joseph Bass guitar as he dislikes accoustic guitars! Thinking he is a natural, seems to copy what I do very quickly and well. He wants to come and see Iron Maiden this week end in town. Far removed from some of the more sedate tunes we play. I guess he just wants to rock!
Is great to be able to re-join HFW’s – missed Marina loads too. Under her spell
So what have I missed in class, whats the gossip?
Anyhoo BillyB, its 3am over here, three hours before Duko is due another run. Catch up soon in class. I have many word requests saved up….
be well
Wow, got more of a responce than espected. You sound like a real caring guy, (I should expect nothing less of Marina’s subscribers). You’ll have fun catching up, the vids just keep getting better & I didn’t think it possible as the old vids are great. Makes me afraid to go away for awhile as time for catching up would be trouble in a busy life.
You’ll like the “Bi-cent” vid, you love dogs. Nice to hear you teach kids stuff & they use it, even against you, hehe. Hope the rain stops for awhile (where do you live?) & your new vetures prosper.
Accidental stabbing, wuh. My 18yr old kid went on three day ambulance ridealong with a paramedic crew. On the first day, in the first couple of hours, he witnessed his first death. A woman in her thirties, died of cardiac arrest while working at a wellness conference. Oh the brevity if life. Be strong & move forward with confidence that your care of people builds a good legacy. Cheers
Hey BillyB, how are you today? Wellness eh? best get into a unhealthy life style!! I did a months work in a hospital once, next to the morge. Ever seen a stiff twitch before?? I made the 100mtr sprint in record time. Life can be ironic at times. – Had a few days kicking about with Duke, long walks rid the cobwebs between the ears. Lady luck came knocking a few days ago, keep fingers crossed for me as may have a new contract to get stuck into. Early days but get a good feeling. Will mean endless phone and e mails sat indoors most of the time but could be worth it. You asked where I live, well south west of London, about 50 clicks or so. Near Henley on Thames. Get best of both worlds, countryside but a stones throw to town and city. How about you, where to do you live? I Didn’t get to go and see Iron Maiden live at the week end due to Duko feeling out of steps. Would not leave my side so baby sat and stayed with the fella, all good since, knocked my mum over when she popped over too. Thankfully she is a bit mad, and about Dukos size come to think of it! – Will be celebrating my God sons 7th b-day this coming Thursday. We are going ten pin bowls, king pin stylie, looking for forward to kicking his butt
– Catching up on lesson has been fun. Doesnt Marina get better and better? Wow, life with out her wouldnt be the same. She is truley georgous in every way. Sui Generis.
Anyhoo BillyB, hunger to satisfy, see you in class take good care and be well
Matt (& Duko)
Marina,
About other phrases using “Dutch.” When I was growing up, adults (esp. males, say uncles–Dutch uncles,definitely) thought it was amusing to give children “Dutch rubs.” These were hard “caresses,” usually of the scalp. This seems in keeping with the Anglo origins; a Dutch rub is a massage that is more like an assault.
Cheers. Love your show.
Going “Dutch” definitely has it’s time & place: friends (only) & you eat together often & have basically the same budget, she asks you out & picks the restaurant, unless ‘you’ the guy decide it’s time to make the big move (and I’m not talking sex here!)…
But on a ‘date’ where you (the guy) pick the place etc. he was either poor, confused, metro, a kid, listened to bad advice or something I’m leaving out–or all of the above…
Some countries i.e. Germany ‘dutch’ is more the norm.
Hi my dear teacher,
here in Italy going dutch is said “alla romana”, that means “in the Roman way”.
Does that mean that people from Rome do not pay for their date? Good question, but unfortunately there is no HotForWords teacher for Italian language…
if it aint dutch, it aint much!
Friends should “go dutch”, though it’s nice to treat one another from time to time. If I’m inviting someone out, it should be my choice where and my responsibility to pay.
If I am asked out by a woman I will offer to pay my share of the bill, but if I asked you out on a date marina I would definitely pay the whole bill. Asking you would be lame!
Hello my dear teacher….
Just a short answer to my homework. I think going dutch should be the basic way to go on a date, even though I can pick up the tab for the woman, I don´t think it should be expected or demand of me…. maybe the swedish way, huh? …
from your dera student / Swedehunter
once again, another awesome lesson from Marina!
IT’S THE RETURN OF THE GREEN TOP!
As long as the guy went Dutch AFTER the date, then he’d make it worth your while. Dude’s gotta at least go down on you if he’s going to make you pay half. It’s a fair enough rule that seperates the men from the boys.
Thing is, going Dutch is usually worked out BEFORE the meal. A guy calling it in at the end of the meal may not be planning on any further dates. Looks like the guy must have decided he wasn’t getting any dessert afterwards, so he decided to save a buck or two at Marina’s expense. Some guys have silly ways of responding to rejection.
The only one who can really answer her homework question is Marina. This is the 21st century… you can pay for all, half, or none of the date. Hell, you don’t even have to date to hook up with a man. Personally, I’d rather make a meal for a woman at home than take her out to a restaurant. I don’t do the date thing because it is too unromantic and standard in my eyes. Besides, thanks to craigslist and other online avenues, dating is somewhat obsolete. I met, fell in love with, and am in a very solid relationship with a young woman I met online a few months back. We met up, hung out, and fell for each other without ever going out on a date. Such is modern love in the internet age. Emails, IMs, and text messages kind of bypass the dating thing, as intimacy and infatuation can be established without the old standards of dating, dining, going to a movie, etc. Why, the term ‘going Dutch’ is entirely missing from my vocabulary as I haven’t bothered doing the dating thing for quite some time. Cool lesson, tho.
Peace, Errin : )
Marina, I think you’re pulling our leg (what’s the origin of THAT?). I cannot believe that any guy would ask you to pay your own way. Ridiculous! That would be self-destructive behavior!
And what is the origin of the name “Dutch,” anyway. The so-called “Dutch” don’t call themselves that, do they?
Hello Marina,
If I asked a woman out and she didn’t know me that well, then I would certainly pay for the evening, however if we new each other and we didn’t have much money, then I would say it would be mutually agreed that we would go Dutch, and hey being equal in all makes you feel good anyway!
On the other hand, if a lady was to ask me out, then I would probably want to go Dutch, (Only given that the lady would not be offended!), although, if I have enough money I would most likely ask the lady if I could pay for her meal as it feels good to give.
Your loving student
Jcnick.
Whoever invites the other person should pay. I will pay, Marina.
Whoever invites the other person should pay. I will pay, Marina.
I would only go dutch if I wanted to keep the relationship platonic. Speaking of platonic…..what is the origin of that word?
If going dutch became the norm there’s nothing weird with that. Proper etiquette would be if you agree to go dutch from the outset, fine, or if the lady offers, fine. If the guy says “let’s go dutch” when the bill comes – dump his ass, he’s really saying “this date wasn’t worth a little extra cash outlay”.
Other Dutch words – Dutch oven, double Dutch, pass the Dutchie…
I have allways payed for one night …then the date Im on next week or the next day pay…..we woild take turns ….Like 50 / 50……as you go out more You both pay for bits here and there on the date …
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Marina there is the largest Shopping center in europe very close to me …i would ASk you you to jion with me and Go dutch shopping and eating…there its called Blue water….masiive place good there…
Dutch wife, a body length pillow
Dutch angle, in film, a severely tilted camera angle
Dutch book, a method of guaranteeing a profit in gambling
Marina,
Perhaps I am “old fashioned,” but if I ask a lady out on a date, I will definitely be paying the bill (whether she offers to share or not).
I invite you to come to Dallas, and I’ll be happy to buy you dinner.
The Dutch Barns in New York are the best built 17′th and 18′th century barns. Now there is a preservation society:
dutchbarns.org.
If we are only sharing a meal, then I expect we each pay our own way unless one of us is economically disadvantaged.
If we are going to an event after the meal, I prefer one person arranges and pays for the meal, the other does so for the event.
The guy should be prepared to pay for both people on a date. If she offers to pay half, then it is up to him to accept or not.
Holy cow there are so many comments. I can’t read them all. Got stuff to do. Did anyone say Dutch Oven?
What is happening with the “Recent Comments”?
We seem to be going back in time. Am I getting younger? Is the universe shrinking? Is there intelligent life BEFORE Hotforwords?
Yep… Thar’s a haywire a-running through this here barn, plain and simple. Second, nope…you are not getting younger. Third, the univere is expanding whilst the university implodes, and finally, Hotforwords is the exception that proves the rule.
HotForWords rules!!!…
but in all other aspects, i humbly agree…
Yea!!
All my students (well all 3 of them) passed their 100 Ton Masters class. Two crab fisherman and one tugboat gal will be soon licensed captains. 
Im going to miss those guys.. 
Im sure they will make great skippers where the winds take them. 
I’m hoping that the hot tub on the ‘Time Bandit’ gets wired up before they leave for Alaska. I want to say ‘I sat in a hot tub on a crab boat’. I think this might be a worlds first of a crab boat having a tub installed on such a vessel.
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Hey, what happened to all the replies?
i dunno…hope they come back…there were some classics out there…
Never mind, they came back up. Weird.
Word Request: Marina can you help, can you make a video about the F-word, and is the F-word as bad as people think.
Thank You…
yes, frankfurters are awful…
and why did they become synonymous with hot dog/weiner?…
I think that one’s been done. See Lessons.
well, i do see “hot dog” but not Frankfurter nor weiner…
so the ef-word still has legs…
I think she did Friend already
Isn’t a “Dutch Cap” some form of contraceptive device? Which reminds me, whilst we’re on the European theme……why do we use the terms “French Letter”…..and……”French Kiss”…?
yes, a dutch cap is another term for a diaphragm…
but when i think of a dutch cap, it is the traditional garb, such as Dutchess Marina is wearing…
oh, and Marina, perhaps you could start doing etymologies with the appropriate costume for the country of origin?…
I was curious about the origin of the word withers (the ridge between the shoulder bones of a horse, or any quadruped) checked a little and came up with something about widersones. little help?
Another very interesting class. Thank you.
well i dont think that the dutch treat is rely a good idea on a date
…actuali I realy think its a stupid one… btw,Marina can u pls tell me the name of the song at the end of this video
hi, marina u r sexy as always, can you tell me the meaning/origin of the word
SLUBBERDEGULLION
Thanks Pagedoll For the link . I was on the Dutch theme and didn’t even know it.
great vid marina. very informative
Always wanted to know what Double Dutch was 
* cut & pasted comment of my comment from youtube
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From the comments that I have read on this video.. I think that as a dude, I would do the chivalrious thing and pay for both the date’s and my meal.
I personally think that if either party was truly not bothered with going dutch on their meals, that they should be allowed to do so. But do so very rarely.
However, it would be more chivalrious if the guy pays for both. Hopefully the age of chivalry is not dead
i love ur vidoes but plz do them in very short tops so i can see most of ur boobs
ur very sexy
please send me a pics of u
and plz answer the meaning of sex plz
Marina, a word with Dutch in it but you’ll have to place your Sherlock Holmes cap on and explain the letter t inside Dutchess County, New York.
Allow me now to introduce my internet buddy Cecil Adams to you good folks. Marina, please say hello. Imitation is the best form of flattery.
great video. forewarned is forearmed if both agree before the date, meal or event then dutch treat is okay. However, a dutch treat should not be sprung on others at the time of the bill.
Hi. Love your videos (beautiful). Anyway, I’d like to know the origin of the phrase “that’s smarts” – usually when someone hurts themselves such as stubbing their toe. While highly painful, it’s usually of short duration.
Thanks.
Dear Marina:
You are a “feast for the eyes”, so you never have to “go Dutch-treat” with me on a date!
Your obedient student,
SurfinRI
Call me old fashioned, but I believe the man should pay for the date.
Another great video
Hi Marina,
If it’s okay, I would like to request a phrase.
The phrase is, “Mum’s the word”.
How and where did it originate?
Regards
Nemras
You’d never go Dutch with me.
There is Double Dutch which is jump roping, but it doesn’t carry the negative connotation that “dutch” does as you inform. Something I will now try to strike from my vocabulary now that I understand it’s prejudicial beginnings.
Good Knight everybody
WHY ARE THE RECENT COMMENTS STUCK ON THE 7 MILLION DOLLAR MAN?
SORRY HIT THE CAPS LOCK KEY err hit the caps lock key
Good morning. Wait.. oh yea.. 12:47am thats morning..
Recent comments are stuck on the 7 Million dollar man because the recent comments key is stuck.
well it’s back to bed for me. Hope to see you soon, Night Sweets
Somebody in Texas Loves You
Maia Marina. i am here?, You woke me up, How too help?
and a other word what uses dutch is double dutch
its a kind game kids and even adults like to play …
hmm hot for words
sorry but your lesson on dutch was a bit out of line and insulting for some words… i am a dutch guy 100% and i am proud of it… but we are not so bad as you described us.. in that lesson…
In the tropics where it is hot and sticky, men would sleep with large pillows between their legs to stay comfortable. These pillows were referred to as “Dutch Wives”. Another term used in my childhood involved attaching the word dutch to a situation where one was in some sort of trouble, usually minor. “Billy did not come home on time and got in dutch with his dad.”
I would like to request the origin and meaning of the word ‘imeldific’. Thanks Marina! You’re my new addiction! Take care and Godbless.
Casey – Technochanic
Hey Marina,
I would like to know where did the word Andromeda originate and how?
Dutch cap… ti hee!
ur eyes were just awsome today and tht yellow outfit WOW i was born in Holland and if u were my DATE!!!! believe me ill pay for everything sweetheart than ill give u a special DUTCH TREAT see the word has different meanings depends on how u use tht fraze HUGSSSSSS
there is something about those blue eyes. Dutch treat only works in good relationships i think
Actually this is about Ironic…
After thinking about it a while, ironic has come to mean exactly wrong. The attorney who successfully defended the murderer only to be murdered by him did what he was trained to do. If the defense was unsuccessful the Attorney would still be alive. The formula for irony then becomes: take a sentence and find the true/false verb and invert it.
Thanks
dingdao
I never heard of the term “going Dutch” before but I always assumed that it was kind of a unspoken rule that guys pay on the date. When I first asked my GF out I payed on the date. This dude sounds stingy I say lose him.
P.S. If the Lady is uncomfortable with me paying the entire bill, I ask her to leave the tip, that generally alleviates an awkward moment.
Nice to see you back!
Generally, if it’s going to be Dutch, it should be stated at the time of the invitation.
Check with Emily Post!
He asked you out then wanted you to pay your own way without having established that prior to the date? Anytime a gentleman asks a lady out it is automatically assumed that he will pay for and coordinate the evening’s activities unless he establishes first that you will be going “Dutch”. Lose that cheapskate! (BTW, where did the word “Cheapskate” come from?)
If you are going “Dutch” it’s not really a date per se, you’re just hanging out with a friend. If that’s how the Dutch do it then maybe that’s why they have so many dykes in Holland.
For my homework I offer the phrase “Pennsylvania Dutch”, who are a group of people who settled in Pennsylvania in the 1700-1800’s but were German and not Dutch! However since they said they were “Deutsch”, which is the German word for “German”, the locals misinterpreted it as “Dutch” and the name stuck.
(Hope all your dates aren’t so cheap, Marina.)
All I have to say baby is on a date with me you would not have to go dutch unless you insisted to do so!
i never let a lady pay her way if i ask her out. sounds like you were out with the wrong guy…
Helicopter Where did they get “copter” for helicopter?
I would be interested in that since I fly RC Helis. Hey cool flash on your adbirds site. I think I have the perfect name for your bird. Its my old Navy nick name. It even works with your company name Ad Birds.
Include words with Dutch in them? How about a word origin from the Dutch? ‘Yacht’ : From th early modern Dutch ‘jaght(e)’, now ‘jacht’, literally a ship for chasing, a light fast, and possibly piratical vessel, from ‘jagen’, to chase or hunt. First attested in 1557 in The Voyage of Stephen Burrought, Hakluyt, Principal Navigations, second addition (1598), I, 294.
Wikipedia:
Yacht in modern use designates two rather different classes of watercraft, sailing and power yachts. Yachts are differentiated from working ships mainly by their leisure purpose: they are comfortable conveyances owned by the wealthy. It was not until the ascendancy of the steamboat and other types of powerboat that sailing vessels in general came to be perceived as luxury items. However, since the level of luxury on larger yachts has seen an increasing trend, the use of the word yacht to mean any sailing vessel has been diminishing and is more and more limited to racing yachts or cruising yachts. Later, the word came to designate a wider range of vessels, almost always in private use (i.e. not used for commercial carriage of cargo or passengers), propelled by sail, power, or both, and used for pleasure cruising or racing.
Yacht lengths generally start at 36–40 feet (11–12 m) and go up to hundreds of feet. A mega yacht generally refers to any yacht (sail or power) above 100′ or 34 m and a super yacht generally refers to any yacht over 200′ or 70 m.
In simple terms. Private boat used for pleasure is a Yacht. Hey if it floats and you have fun on it then its a yacht.
Oh BTW. Picked up a First Edition (1976), Premium condition ($$$) ‘The Oxford Companion to Ships & the Sea’. Damn you Marina
Look what you got me back into. 
Are you trying to make me into a Etymologists? 
So, Jack, an upturned rubber dinghy would qualify as a yacht?
Sure Bob, but I would question your skippering ability with an inverted dinghy.
Never mind the skippering! If upturned on the beach it makes a great substitute for a water bed.
ooooh that sound good. I really missed my water bed. It was my favorite piece of furniture. Now I live on a yacht, my bed rocks a tad bit but its not as comfortable as my water bed was.
Very interesting.
If somebody invites a lady on a date, he must pay.
No surprices.
Alidor
Word Request: Luke Warm. Where did that come from? what other words have a common name attached to them (example: cup of joe)
Marina – Here is one you haven’t had yet – when a small group of peolple get together (typically) against another and plan a trick or try to beat someone at something with out letting them know – they are usually IN KAHOOTS together. Check it out – Spasibo nasha krasavitsa!!!!
First time I have heard and/or read that particular term. I sometimes always learn something new every day!
How about “double Dutch” or “Dutch courage”
Hey, Teacher Extraordinaire, what is the correct usage of Whom versus Who?
where’s the word Salary come from and is it related to salt?
Dear Marina, there are actually two words I wish to ask you to explain to me. They are hullabaloo (which has been requested before, I know) and sorry. If you can help me out I’d be very happy (happy..? there’s another one!)
Thanks! Love your vids, btw.
HotForWords, to answer your question of whether or not everyone should “Go Dutch” when dating, I must say, “Definitely, not!”–especially on first dates. Traditionally, protocol dictates that the one asking for the date pays. When trying to impress a young lady, I would not even dream of asking her to pay. Now that women are working and have their own money, they offer to pay their share, more often so they won’t feel obligated to serve breakfast, if you know what I mean. If dating for a while and disposable incomes vary, I would still say splitting the cheque is NOT the way to go. When I take a woman to an expensive dinner, I certainly do not expect her to pay her share–if she persists, I suggest she pay for the next one. This way, if she has less money, she can still have the satisfaction of paying for both of us, and enjoy the benefits of my larger income, without the burden of the expense. In any case, quibbling over money is poor etiquette, so if one insists on paying their own way, let them.
I think it would be better if ALL first dates were “Dutch”… but only with advanced warning — like when you are asking the person out. If you don’t let the person know up front, then whoever asked HAS to pay.
But, since most guys are less than desirable anyway, they must bribe the girls to go out with them and so the deal is “You’ll get a free meal if you go out with me”.
“Since most guys are less than desirable anyway”?,
“You’ll get a free meal if you go out with me”?
I am sorry that you have such a low opinion of men. You must go on a lot of dates to make such blanket statements about the male of the species. If the guys that you are meeting truly are attempting to bribe you with dinner for a few hours of companionship, please explain other methods of seeking companionship. If it is simply that you don’t like the guys who are offering dinner, please don’t claim that most guys must bribe girls with a free meal–search out other venues to find guys with whom you would like to have dinner.
LOL… I’m a man. heh heh.
Word Request: Dead ringer.
It has the same meaning as spitting image that you covered in an earlier video but I really want to know what the origin of this phrase is.
I like the yellow top myself Jack. Thats why I stopped the video half way and I am trying to think up new ideas to go along with the new sexy words she wants us to help add to her videos titles.
How is one to help with video titles if one doesn’t know the word she is working on next?
I’ve always been a big fan of swimsuits. There was a time I designed a few suits and had this one gal model them at a show. I didn’t win any prizes but she did win something at the show. Hummm thats a hobby I should get back into again.
It’s really the swim suit top I was ogling at. If a word came along then that would be much better.
Oh Capman you where wishing you where the suit top being stretched to your limit, and pressed against her skin.
I know I was. 
Why does Marina have it now Jack doesn’t fit you anymore?
Have you seen wordmonger around lately? He’s got an extra treat his name up in the preview pic. now that’s status.
Oh too funny there Billy.
Ya my man boobs are getting bigger. Soon I wont need to look at Marina’s fun bags. I’ll have my own to play with. 
Ain’t cross dressing fun Billy? What was it you where wearing yesterday? 
Yes I seen that his name is in the preview pic. What an honor. Funny how some of the students get picked and you don’t see them ever again. Humm….
Hey Billy, I just thought of something when I was walking back to my yacht today from class. Out of millions of YT viewers and students, we (the daily contributors to HFW) are the top dawgs for blogging on HFW site. Thats about two dozen or so of us out of millions. Interesting hu?
Billy, that is so funny I can only wish that I’d thought of it myself.
I know what I am going to do for you Jack. It’s called photo shop. Your head, Marinas body.
maybe there is a reason for this
well, if you’re going to go…
I had a girlfriend that used to play at suffocating me with her “puppies”.
if you’re going to go …what the heck
youtube users, my guess.
Yea Bob I think your right. Thats exactly what happens!!! Mostly to YT users though…
Здравствуй, Марина. Прошу объяснить, откуда пришло в английский язык слово “hell”; как оно использовалось, изменения в обороте этого слова(если произошли).
Заранее спасибо, и хорошего дня.
Антон.
P.S. What other languages do you study?
Hello, I would really like to know where the word “Murder” originated. Thanks. Your vids rock!
Teach, Why are you so quick? Are you on a time limit? Can You talk as long as You like? Why not then, You have all the stuff out anyhow. No need to rush, . Like……what is on your mind , Today or when ever. You could do a little commentary. No need to edit, The out takes are the Best. 10-15 mins. Your Minions need to be educated.
I’ll second that motion.
Busy woman has to have a life too. Her sister has her doing everything.
mmmmm ill be very happy 3 take her sister home !!!!! than she can have more time !!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you even seen her sister Augie? I have. You don’t know what your getting yourself into.
sick? i agree. i’ll try to control myself next time
…its much better when can you hear the delivery. you know what they say, its all in the delivery 
hm. maybe another evil twin?
I think she needs to have six septruplet sisters
I think everyone should go dutch. I suppose it doesn’t sound very gentlemanly (is that a word?) but when I’m on a date with someone the important thing is spending time with them and most of ladies I’ve gone out with feel weird if I pay for everything. There are exceptions of course, no one should pay for a meal on their birthday. As for the video, I give it five out of five.
dutch oven dutch chocolate, being in dutch,
pass the duchy ‘pon the left hand side?
what about the third date (unwritten) rule?
you cannot enforce that, so – go dutch!
It must be unwritten alright; you sure as hell didn’t write it.
So what about the third date rule?
What IS the third date rule, and if it’s so unwritten, how come you’re going to write it down right now?
Gawd – slow down….!
#1& #2 the third date rule: basically states that if you go on a third date with a woman, then consent between adults is a logical progression. If you’re being played, there is no consent and you should get out of this relationship – unless you’re into being played!
#3a,b,c normally this is understood by men who have dating experience, and need not be explained, or written down, per se. SINCE YOU HAVE ASKED, I have tried to provide that information which will allow you to reach your own conclusion concerning this.
Are you good, now? Hope so!
One reason I moved out of Long Beach, CA is because women where in the fad of playing men. But I have found out the same damn thing happens in almost any large city. So I started dating women from other countries. I’ve been much happier and successful with this approach.
Foreign or domestic, it’s really the caliber of
the woman that matters.
Smart is sexy and Marina is that (UH-HUH!).
The whole self-absorped, whimsical, lack of focus and direction persona, ala Paris Hilton, for example; just doesn’t work for me. Too vacant, too angry… (other descriptive words come to mind…). For a woman like that, familiarity breeds contempt.
Marina is a rare item of great value,
She is a kind of virtual girlfriend unlike any other.
We get to “interact”; she gets to pick and choose….
Hmmm…guess we’re both enjoying being “played” eh?! LOL
Well, she does have us all interacting with each other – a compensation for the limited time she has to spend on us.
In fact, all we get for input are brief, well-scripted, polished, video and sound bites (product, if you will) – and occasional peeks behind-the-scenes, Sounds clinical in the analysis, but there are no ulterior motives revealed. Clearly the girl is down to earth at heart, and that is damn attractive. She must enjoy teasing with so many of us at one time… nothing sinister there! Anyway – this is a bunch to read…
Melika,
“Foreign or domestic, it’s really the caliber of
the woman that matters.”
Yes thats true. I have found many women here in the USA are all sucked in the marketing giants programming. The make people think you need this and that, and to think like this and that. I can see this better than anyone because I help develop some of the concepts of turning useless crap into something that you just got to have. In other countries that is not that apparent. But I see this changing rapidly.
“The whole self-absorped, whimsical, lack of focus and direction persona, ala Paris Hilton”
Oh I see this very well. And many young girls want to imitate Paris Hilton. Its the blind Lemming building armies of blind Lemmings.
Being played? Yea you might be right. And yes I see she comments very little on her blog. Her having us interact with other readers does seem to make her blog look very active. Your thought makes me kind of feel used in a way. Am I just here to keep her little blog active? Was I stupid enough to fall for the oldest trick in the book? Maybe… But I am having fun here and love commenting here with you all.
If Marina stopped blogging in her own site, I would still be on here everyday. I would miss her very much. Yes she is attractive physically, but I find her mind even more attractive. Even if she was a 102 year old hag I would still want to know her thoughts, feeling, teachings, etc.
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I think you may have gone too far re: 102 yr old hag reference – LOL
Don’t feel used – no need. You had full knowledge and awareness going in, like watching a remake of a good movie. Speaking of which, “Day the Earth stood still” will be out 12/08. Keanau Reeves playing Klaatu. A fresh audience will see it as their introduction to this “new” materiel. To me, it’s a classic. I’m hoping the writers and editors have done a good job paying homage to the original, and have not doofed it up. So will I go see it? Yes is the answer, of course. I know it won’t be “art”, but I will be entertained.
Am I stupid? if it turns out to be a horrible chick flick – yes, that would be stupid, but not MY stupidity! I’m hoping for the best – giving Hollyweird the benefit of the doubt. They could still use me (by getting me to pay good money to watch a bad movie), and since I let that happen, my choice, that would make me feel stupid.
Now if I go back and see it three times, knowing it is baaaaad – then that really would be stupid! I see it all the time – bad choices made just to be politically correct (PC). Check out any main stream TV news outlet for more than 11 seconds and you’ll probably see something stupid. uh oh times up
Well I wanted to use my head in a jar reference but I feel I have overused it.
Oh yea Im well aware of the feeling of being used. I even volunteered to help out. No reply has been made so Im assuming no help is needed or she doesn’t want my help. I must have fallen threw the cracks is my guess. The one thing that burns me the most is the lack of communications.
“Hollyweird” have not heard that term in a long time. 1987 I think. They keep get weirder and weirder every year. Im a big time movie watch but there is so much crap out there these days I have not been very active in making it to the theaters. Script writers have been doing the easy way out and find an old script from past movies and rewriting them. For example if you watch the old B/W version of Fast and Furious you will see its almost the same movie. There is a lot of copy paste writers out there. Very sad to see.
Thanks, Chacha.
When I turn 13 mom said I can go out on dates, so this will be important info for me to know. Of course, so far no supermodels have taken a shine to my sparkin’, tho’.
Models are a dime (big dime that is) a dozen. If you looking for a smart one sorry can’t help you there. All the smart ones are taken.
I was always taught that when you go on a date, you always pay the ladies way.
sigh….
in a perfect world, you are right. ‘Nuff said.
Melika, When people stick with tradition because thats they way they where taught. Some people never question the knowledge that they are fed. Some people are lazy thinkers. They never question the Cool-Aid they drink.
Video that really hits the idea of regressive thinking…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PMq4akUZr8c
ps. When the Guy asked you pay your own bill and the first thing you thought of, was about Dutch Women? I would have thought ,” What a Jackass and I have a HEADACKE!!!!!!! TAKE Me HOME, “
Hi could you describe the meaning of ‘hullabaloo’ and its usage?
Your videos are awesome.
Hullabaloo and Shindig were both 1960’sTV music shows.
You might say they were the forerunners to MTV. There was also Hee Haw which covered the country music audience. I couldn’t tell you the origin, but I think it might be related to “Hubbub” as used to describe “a happening” or an event where people get emotionally excited. Your question is a good one and deserving of a better answer than I can provide. Let’s hope Marina picks up on it.
Teach. Should the Dutch cry till We say “The D…….word” It worked once ………….here,
Could you explain the origin and ethymology of the word soapbox – as in to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject.
Marina,
I was watching Meet The Press this morning. They were talking politics and mentioned the word “Poppycock” . The first thing I thought of was you….. Can you help?
Thanks
As for going Dutch? Who asked who out? If you asked someone out you should pay. If they offer to pay their share….. Great
ski, you may find this interesting http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-pop1.htm i made the same request a few lessons ago. hope it helps
Meet the Depressed? Dude, don’t let those morons do your thinking for you. your brain will go to ROT from it! better to spend your time in church! LOL
At least in church, they TRY to make sense!
Where does the word (Bar) come from?
Cue for another round of Bar jokes?
OK.
An Australian drunk goes into a bar and orders a large number of beers.
The barman asks him if he’s not troubled by the effect his drinking is having on his married life.
“No worries,” says the drunk, “It’s not a problem.”
“In that case,” says the barman, “why do you have 4 Ex wives and your children are all in Foster homes?”
and the joke is?…
here’s annudder:
The “Buffalo Theory” of Beer
A herd of buffalo can move only as fast as the slowest buffalo. When the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, we all know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first.
In this way regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
That’s why you always feel smarter after a few beers, and that’s why beer is so GOOD for you!
So this duck walks into the bar and asks for some duck food. The bartender says… Ok I won’t go where Bob went.
guy walks into a bar and proceeds to get completly drunk and ends up pukin’ all over the front of his shirt. he says to the bartender, “what am i gunna do my wife is gunna kill me” bartender says, “easy, tell her you were walkin’ home from work and a guy bumped into you and threw up all over the front of your shirt” guy says “ok”. so the next morning the guy wakes up to his wife asking him “honey, what happened to your shirt?” and he says, “i was comin’ home from work and a guy ran into me and puked on me. but dont worry he gave me 20 buck to get it cleaned”. she says, ” but theres 40 dollars here” he says “yea, he sh*t in my pants too! ”
i love that one …dont get me started i could go all nite!
PD thats just sick.
OK, for those who didn’t get it:-
Four X (XXXX, 4 Ex-)
Fosters
ty…figured the Fosters, too lazy to google the XXXX…
Cadburys ?
LOL! You know how to catch a rare rabbit?
Unique up on it.
cool gravatar, by the way
Yea, cool gravatar. Your old one of you was good also.
Yeh but who wants to see that boring old git Markie .
Wallace is far better looking.
Mars ?
Very clever. :snickers:
I must say I preferred it when that Mars product was called Marathon, despite it being a bit of a mouth full
If you are going on a date date the a fine looking thing like your self should never go dutch but if you are going out with a friend then it ok!
What is the origin of the word “masterbate”? It seems to have no relation at all to the act.
Thanks
Such requests must abate.
yes, master…
I am a USCG licensed Master of vessels up to 100 Tons.
Well, what do YOU use for bait, then?
Im a Master! I don’t have to bait anything. I order hot looking crew to bait the poles. This one gal is so good I think i’ll promote her to Master Baiter.
Yes I went there! So sue me!
I can tell with lots of people joining in this subject is going to end up as a mass debate
Dear Marina,
Would you like to explain the origin and ethymology of the word tyrant
i was watching the movie forest gump last nite for the umpteenth time and im still not sure what the phrase “stupid is as stupid does” means. i have a few ideas but im not really sure to this day. i just can put my finger on it. does anybody out there know?…anybody–anybody thank you
pagedoll, sort of always consider the word is as a word that equates things, in the mathematical sense. So stupid is equal to as stupid does, which sort of translates like a = a+b, which isn’t very helpful in defining what the a in the statement a=a+b is actually understood to mean. The statement was probably coined by the script writers only to appear to sound witty with an audience.
Sort of like those annoying laughing machines that are turned on during a sitcom after every second or third sentence said by anyone, … 
And yes, you have a nice avatar.
thanks
i looked up as well and this is what i found out http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=392986 why i never googled it before i dont know 
Thanks PageDoll for asking the question and thanks Mergatroidal for defining this phase. I did not really understand that until now.
Quoted from the Google answers link from PageDoll
I always wonder why the girls are always beating down my door to go out with me.
If they only knew of my true evil side 
Simply a revision of an archaic quote, and some sarcasm spewed out a bit. Fooled me it did.
This is awesome -
The Seven Inch Lean
Here is an addition to Dutch treat. In early New York, the English called the Dutch John Cheese. The Dutch were so ticked off they
called the English the same, only in their own language, Jan Kees…
Yankees.
Love you!!
That is one theory…
I had previously heard this one:
Yankee \Yan”kee\, n. [Commonly considered to be a corrupt
pronunciation of the word English, or of the French word
Anglais, by the native Indians of America.
The definition does go on to iterate several more:
According to Thierry, a corruption of Jankin, a diminutive of John, and a nickname given to the English colonists of Connecticut by the Dutch settlers of New York.
And yet another:
Dr. W. Gordon (“Hist. of the Amer. War,” ed, 1789, vol. i., pp. 324, 325) says it was a favorite cant word in Cambridge, Mass., as early as 1713, and that it meant excellent; as, a yankee good horse, yankee good cider, etc.
Oh Marina, can you save the day and set us all straight on this?
Since there are a few competing etymologies; Im placing my two cents in to pot. The Cherokee word ‘eankke’ (a slave of coward); a slang word for ‘excellent’; a native American corruption of ‘English’ (‘yengee’); and diminutive (‘yanke’) of the Dutch name ‘Jan’., Language of Sailing p 345
I was going to suggest that the Cherokee theory was questionable because the Cherokee did not live near New England. But after a little research it seems there is no such Cherokee word.
Personally given how Marina has taught us that the Brits use Dutch words to trade insults. I can see them calling Americans a bunch of “Little Johnny’s” given that the American militias were a rag tag bunch and probably seemed like pretend soldiers to the more organized British.
[http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/651891/Yankee]
A yankee is the same thing as a quickie, except you are by yourself.
No, that’s a pull-it surprise.
Penny’s Rolling Rock is still working well, eh Proz?
I gotta million of ‘em!
Gnome Sane? Allegheny represent!
where does the word for the branch of army marine come from
ummm… army is one branch of service, marines are another.
your question is unclear as you have intermixed the two
in a way that is not defined. hope this helps.
i didnt want to mix someone up with marine as in the ocean so thats why i said that and i think i should have put branch of service
A marine is a soldier of a branch of a countrys Navy. The U.S. Marines are a branch of the U. S. Navy.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/marine
I agree with you SD. Serving in the Navy we had Marines station on my ship USS Missouri BB-63. Even their pay checks said paid out from US Navy. They are a very good bunch of guys (and gals).
Nowadays, Women don’t like men pay the food. They think that belongs to the past and it’s an machist mind. Well I have many girl friends who tell me that all time.
I was missing you so much my dear profesora, beauty Marinita
with love your dear student Gio
Where do you live? That sounds like a great place!
Gio, I’ve been asking this question to women here in Seattle, what women prefer and finding out many women that I have asked prefer to go Dutch or pay for the whole bill. I tend to respect women a bit more if they ask me out. I like to see their display of independence. I can’t stand women that act like leaches. If I see a women doing her own game, thats the women I would love to support when she slips and falls. I can only hope she returns the favor to me when I slip and fall.
Marina, where did the phrase “great Scott!” originate? It’s a superhero’s favorite exclamation. Thank you!
By the wa that opening story had to have been made up. I can’t see any guy dumb enough to ruin a chance with you by asking you to pay at an expensive restaurant.
runawayscott,
Is that a fly in your eye, Marina? Or was there just a fly in the ointment?
I think my heart just stopped
Hotforwords,
Imeldific…
Thanks.
Casey
You mean she just made it up??
So melikadothechacha, or whatever your name is, Do you always end your sentences with two question marks??
hehehe Just funning you….
Do I do that??
(didn’t the shock eye
emoticon convey the
sarcastic tone??)
Oh spellchecker, my spellchecker –
I was going to comment how
a teacher will sometimes
personify a story, as Marina
has done here, in order to
allow students to relate a
lheory to real world apps.
(obviously this dutch date
NEVER occurred in our
hemisphere – hence,
the sarcasm)
Thanks for keeping me
on my toes!!
You know Scott, Even though Marina may have made it up, I know guys that do that kind of thing.
It’s so nice to hear you say “I want to go outside”…sunscreen
I can’t believe a guy took you on a date, picked the place & waited till the bill came & then hit you with the dutch thing. Your reaction should have been filmed… & sold… harsh… so when are you seeing him again?
Pros’ did my homework before “Dutch Oven”
Must have been that Roger Wilco guy.
I guess he’s over and out!
It would have been great if she filmed him. Then she could post him on the net and we could all Razzed on him!!!
If you look at the times runawayscott & I posted our comments we basically said the same thing at the same time, “i can’t believe…” & “…story…made up”.
Since have found out the gay guy is back in line & because a whole pile of other relitives had a pile more kids he’s slid down the scale considerably. A little medication & therapy & he’ll be just fine 
Good lesson though eh. I had no Idea the history behind “Dutch”, another example of the british “look down the nose” attitude. Before you jump all over me for that statement I’m not talking about the everday brits. but the snob class.
Funny thing, we were mailed a letter when our oldest boy was an infant, stateing that he was like eighth in line for some “Baron” status at some castle in England, & that he’d moved up the scale because one of the guys ahead of him was found to be gay. We had no inclination to kill off all the other succesors to gain that “Baron” status for him
Yea I know the story is made up. Marina is getting good at make believe. I just thought I could feed the fire sorta speak. Like her make believe sister. But husssh. Don’t want anyone to find out. I wonder how many people we can sucker into this?
I’ll be a sucker for Marina.
You know what I would say if I was over at her house watching her say that. I would stand up and say in a [Speaking to doggy voice] “Hey girl you want to go outside hu? You wantta go outside! Go get your leash. Common go get your leash. You wantta go outside! Ok lets go outside now!” Then I think Kobe would be confused of the whole show or want to go also.
I had it 4 hours before you.
I only go DUtch if the girl asks a question that involves how much money I make. I consider the conversation over atthat point. You look lovely Today Marina.
A long time ago, I had a woman ask me flat out how much money I made. I was in my mid twenties, but I said without skipping a beat that I had just crossed $250,000 a year, and expected to double that next year. I figured if she was ballsy enough to ask, I would be ballsy enough to lie.
That is brilliant. I have to try that.
So should I lie and say I only make about $50k a year?
Ok……well first of all I am pretty devastated that you were on a date with somebody other than myself or Bob…but what heartless bastard would not pay for the whole dinner?
I am sincerely hoping that you fabricated these shinanagins.
On another note, I had actually never heard this phrase before, but there is a local restaurant that is called the Dutch Treat. lol I had never known what it meant until now. Thanks Marina!
I’ve always operated along the principle that the inviter picks up the tab, except in the dubious situation where a woman might say “hey, why don’t you take me to dinner tonight and we’ll talk…” or something similar.
Here’s a woman’s perspective on why a man should always pay on the first date – this woman actually wrote this stuff down herself:
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She might not see you again, if you don’t — I certainly wouldn’t. I fully expect a man to pay for the first date. I don’t care if that sounds sexist or just plain wrong. If you don’t pay for the first date, this will send the message you that don’t consider her a worthwhile recipient of your money. If you don’t think her worthy of a happy meal, you might not think her worthy of anything else, either. The subliminals on this can be pretty strong.
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It shows a woman you have standards — If you believe the man should pay on the first date, this lets a woman know you have values of some kind – be they right or wrong. It tells her you hold yourself accountable for something. It tells her you follow your own moral compass and aren’t easily influenced by trends. In a world full of wishy-washy metrosexuals, this holds quite a bit of water, especially if the woman in question has a dominant personality.
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It shows a woman you can lead — Liberal though I am in a number of areas, I’m old-fashioned when it comes to this kind of thing. A man should be able to lead. (Note: This does not mean control!) If you can’t take the initiative in something small – like paying for meal – that tells me you’ll probably lack leadership in other areas as well. I can lead myself just fine, but I don’t want to have to lead you, too.
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It shows a woman you have an instinct to provide — Notice I didn’t say it shows you can provide. Having and spending the dosh on dinner aren’t the issues here. A woman wants to know you want to pay for dinner – that you get some kind of satisfaction out of it. It makes her feel cared-for. Cheesy as it sounds, the presence of this feeling is crucial to the longevity of any relationship she’s in. If you make her feel like a burden on the first date, her subconscious will suggest she find someone who doesn’t.
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It shows a woman you’re not a tightwad — This doesn’t mean she’s a gold digger. But, come on, if you get bent over the price of a necessity like food, that doesn’t bode well for any other expenditures. If she thinks you’re the type to complain about every little penny, she’s not going to want to see you again. Who needs that kind of headache?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Who_Should_Pay_On_A_First_Date
bitch.
understatement
Why bitch Alx and Pros ?
I think she is absolutely right.
If a man doesn’t care enough about a lady to buy her a meal on a first date, he shouldn’t ask her on the date in the first place.
Long term we may be talking differently of course.
Boot on the other foot now.
Who pays if the lady is keen enough to ask the man on a date ?
Should he offer or refuse to let her pay, or if the date was going well should he gracefully retreat reform and strike. ‘OK as long as I get to treat you to our second date in Paris next time ?’
What about equal rights?
Well, I can tell you that I found her first point to be utterly repugnant to both men and women. She refers to the woman being a “worthwhile recipient of his money” and that if he doesn’t pay for the whole meal, then the might not give her other things as well, as if relationships are about what money the woman might get from the man. Naturally, if he asks her, then he pays, unless he announces it before hand that it will be dutch – but if she doesn’t like that idea, she should simply say no. It’s not the paying or not paying that’s the issue for me with this person- it’s her attitude.
Then she compares paying for the meal with having a “moral compass,” which is just plain ridiculous. Any woman who thinks like that can find some other sucker to fleece.
And the last point refers to a guy getting “bent” over a necessity like food. Well, he’s not necessarily getting “bent” over it, and it’s a necessity for both of them and neither one of them is any more obligated to provide than the other. And then she says that if he’s not willing to pay for her meal, then it doesn’t “bode well for future expenditures” – repeating her belief that the relationship would entitle her to expenditures by him on her behalf.
I have no problem paying for a meal on the first date, and do so invariably. However, if I knew the woman had an attitude like the one who wrote the article I posted I would not go out with her at all.
As for the boot on the other foot – if the lady asks the man out on a date, then wouldn’t it be understood that she pays, unless it is discussed beforehand. I mean, that’s just common courtesy. If you invite ANYONE to dinner with you, the expectation is that the one extending the invitation is going to pick up the tab unless it’s pointed out in advance.
Actually pros I have read it again and I fully see where you are coming from. She has a lot of friends to be avoided I think.
I agree with your reverse senario solution and for that reason alone if a man asks a woman on a first date he should pay by the same logic.
OK let’s take that further . You go out with a friend of same sex. You say come on let’s go for an Indian/Chinky etc.
Now is you were male you would all be flexing the muscles and insisting you pay.
If you were a lady, the calculators would be out of handbags
I would make Marina pay (including gas money) and give me a foot rub after dinner but her sister I would give her a feast fit for a queen and grovel at her feet as a slave.
Do you partake in any particular drug to have such an outrageously vivid imagination triggering these extreme fantasies ?
Who needs a vivid imaginations when my real life is already like this.
Though I am looking for a drug that makes my life more like others have. You know the 8 to 5 job, working in a 5 X 5 cubical, bumper to bumper traffic jams, A boss that makes you work weekend, a shoe box filled with bills, a dead end job with absolutely no opportunity to get promoted, etc. 
I googled some stats:
Do women think a man should pay for dinner ?
1. Yes always 42%
2. It depends if I like him 4%
3. Sometimes 34%
4. No, both should share the cost 11%
5. No the girl should pay 1%
6. Only if it’s expensive 0%
7. No opinion 7%
[wow - almost 1/2 of women polled said that a person's sex automatically requires the gift of a free meal be bestowed...]
[Where's that 1%???? Can someone find her and give me her number?]
Stats were from http://www.topdatingtips.com/dating-statistics.htm
those statistics are totally worthless. I does not state how many women participated, their age, social background, where they’re from, etc.
Not totally, but mostly – you are right, little can be concluded from the stats without understanding the process used, demographics, etc.. It’s just the only thing I could find quickly.
I found, however, that the statistics jogged roughly with what I expected to be the case.
tampa, florida. we went to hooters, she paid for it. yeah, there are great women out there …
That’s cool.
Did she choose Hooters? How’d that work? What were the circumstances leading up to the date?
I’m sure she wasn’t the writer of this article! http://hubpages.com/hub/Who_Should_Pay_On_A_First_Date
Oh I have to tell you this. Two years ago I had two girls take me to a strip club with female dancers in B.C., Ca. I was in awe the whole night, not of the dancers but of the girls that took me there. What a crazy night!
that was some twelve years ago, so I don’t remember the whole story. she suggested a few places, I think. she said she’s cool with hooters, she been there a couple of times.
I also remember a pair of big boobs (I was young) asking me what kind of cheese I want, I remember explaining those boobs why I didn’t want any ice in my sprite. — then explaining the girl I was there with how I was _not_ looking at the waitress’s boobs. not because she was pissed or anything, just as a matter of principle.
Was it a first date?
The funniest thing I saw at a Hooters was one down in Florida as well. A mother and a father for some reason were there eating with their young son – probably around 12 years old. He couldn’t help himself, and was ogling the waitress something fierce. And, then his mother yelled at him, and scolded him for doing so. I thought it was hilarious – like bringing a kid to a candy shop and expecting him not want any….
either first or some kind of second first date.
I know of one and she is in my classroom. I would give you her number but only one problem. She has a girlfriend.
From the Isle of Lesbos?
Ali G would call her a rug muncher
maybe she’s just bisexual. give her my number. ^^
I guess everyone has heard the story about the little Dutch boy who saved the country from being flooded by plugging a leaky dike with his finger, but do you know the whole story?
Apparently, this little Dutch boy was out one day playing in the tulip fields with his dog when he came upon a place where, due to recent heavy rains, the pressure of water was proving too much for the dike to hold back and a trickle of water was seeping through the wall.
The boy was young and inexperienced and didn’t know what to do about the situation or how to mend the dike. However, he was smart enough to use his initiative, so he stuck his finger in the dike and sent the dog away to fetch his father, who would know what to do.
After a while the dog returned without the boys father, by which time the hole in the dike had grown in size so that the boys finger was no longer big enough to stem the flow of water. The boy told the dog to stick its nose into the hole while he went to get help.
Unable to find his father, who was out working in another field, the boy told his mother who came with him to see what the problem was.
On their arrival back at the dike, they found that the hole was now too big for the dogs nose to hold the water in check, so the woman put her elbow into the hole and told the boy to go and look for her husband.
The boy eventually found his father who had returned to the house for his lunch, and told him about the leaking dike, so they went back to see what was needed to mend the breach.
When they got to the woman, she was getting desperate as the hole had now grown alarmingly and was soaking her clothes.
The man new immediately what had to be done and plugged the hole by putting his buttocks against it as he gave instructions to his wife and son to bring him the tools and materials he needed.
Before long they returned and the man was able to effect a lasting repair.
And that, my friends, is why men always stand with their backs to the fire, women test the temperature of the baby’s bath with their elbow, dogs have cold wet noses and boys are always trying to poke their fingers into moist holes.
That was one long lead up, but a good punch line
To My mind,the One that asks the Other out should be prepared to pay unless “going Dutch” was mentioned right from the git-go. To eat,then say, “wanna go Dutch on this?” is just bad form. One exception might be if the date is between people that do it often.
Women asking men on a date is generally assumed to be “dutch,” but not vice versa.
Going Dutch. Humm. Tough one for me. I’ve been on many dates where the women just dated me for a free movie and dinner. I hate being used like that. But when I invite a woman to go out with me I pay, and never ask to go Dutch. When a woman takes me out on a date I offer to pay for the tip. Its not the price of the dinner, or me being cheap. Its just I hate paying out all the time with someone I hardly know.
Have to run to class. Im running late….
Ok back from class. I have to test my students out for finals tomorrow. Yea its the weekend for those who work Monday-Friday but sailors don’t know what a weekend is. If I want to take sometime off I just schedule it. Nice to be in a job like that, hu?
Now where was I? Oh yea. Going Dutch. I need to correct a statement I made previously. I hate paying for a first date if I think that woman is just looking for a free lunch. I have found that fact over time from friends that told me that such and such person does this to others. I hate when they play me for that. Of course this happened years ago. If your short on cash I’ll buy ya a lunch. But don’t talk sweet to me just to get food. That said, I still pay for the first lunch or dinner whatever that might be. Usually I do coffee first. I can usually read a person in 10 minutes or less (You learn how to read people in 22 years of sales, yet I have been wrong many times
).
As for whether or not is good or bad to go Dutch on a first date, I don’t have enough information to make that kind of decision because its all depends on the people dating. Really if you boil it all down it depends on the couples wants, need and desires. Heather (student of mine) prefers to go Dutch. She thinks that couples should go Dutch when dating. If her and I where to go out I think she would think less of me if I paid. If I remember right my sister also believes in going Dutch.
Money to me is almost irrelevant. Its just a transfer of work being done. If my students payed me in food, boat parts, new closets, for the teaching I did for them then great. I pay all that back in the services or products they make or sell. Trading is what money is and will always be.
On thing I like to do is buy a coffee, or a lunch, or a paper for a total stranger. Why? Because people are too bloody selfish these days. If I can give a bit to the people maybe they might pay it forward. I can only hope. One reason I like Yachting/Boating/Sailing whatever you wish to call it is that if my Yacht ever… well for example if the lines came undone and started to float away. Someone(s) would get it back to the dock and tie it back up and would ask for nothing in return. Boaters take care of there own kind. We are always giving. Its our lifestyle.
Going Dutch? Its irrelevant to me among friends. Risking my life so you can have cheaper gas prices. Now thats impressive!
omg…just made a grammatical error on a philologist’s site…
i meant “having the patience to read through”
What about the phrase to “sleep like a log”? Clearly, logs don’t sleep so that sounds kinda interesting…Also, kudos for having the patience for reading through all of these comments. Got my fingers crossed…oh wait…having your “fingers crossed” is a good one too…ah pfft, I guess i just requested two then…if it’s against the rules, my bad!
Benji x0x
When you said, “I love you!” at the end of your video, my heart skipped a beat!!!
Mine too…..
It’s the thought of pressing the play button gives me palputations.
Pass the Sphignanomometer nurse ?
ECG ? Yes better had I just saw Marina.
I think dutch rhythms with butch, so dutch has got to be gay.
I like the gay word californification please look that up in your Funk and Wagnel and give us the origins of californification
And may the rest of your life be the best of your life
73 and 88
N8ZU
Ok I know what 73 is but I forgot what 88 stands for.
73
N7MFE
Do you want to give us Siberian hamsters that like in England a clue what 73 and 88 and N7MFE means ?
And while we are talking numbers which is the odd one out 1,3, 5 and 8.
No….. it’s #1 which comes with chips, The others come with egg fried rice.
Sure Tig,
Well raypsi and I are Federal Licensed Amateur Radio Operators. What this means we get to play on radios for a hobby and use for emergencies. “73″ was a short hand in Morse code to say “Best Regards” and I think “88″ meant Love and Kisses.
“N8ZU” and “N7MFE” are our call signs. Kind of like a license plate on a car. We have to use them on the air so people know that yes we have a license to transmit and if they need to report us to the FCC they have a number to identify us with.
Thanks for that cap. I thought it might be a American/English problem but no the closest I got to Ham Is in Wall Mart (called Asda here) or from flying aeroplanes which is different.
Come to think of it 88 is gay also, it means hugs and kisses, in the old telegraph days. Like “dah dah dah dit dit dah dah dah dit dit” in morse code.
I got a nokia phone 5185i it’s programmed to send my received text messages in morse code. I don’t even have to look at the screen to know what text messsage that was just sent. Now that’s really gay.
I saw the movie 23, when I researched 23 I found 23 means shutting down the station, but even the old hams I know never heard of 23.
73, and 23
N8ZU
I don’t mind the tendency towards going Dutch, but a fella sure ought to warn a lady BEFORE picking the restaurant I’d say…
There is no such tendency, at least not where I live. The male-pay custom is alive and well.
There is such a tendency here in the Netherlands. We respect the financial independence of our women.
That’s quite an ironically sexist way to put it, actually!
“we” respect the financial independence of “our” women?
The reason for the continued prevalence of the male-pay customer here in the U.S. is as much to do with women as with men. Men would be happy to respect the financial independence of women. Men, however, have to exist in a dating world where if they don’t pay, they run a higher risk of not getting a second date, being thought as cheap, poor, unattractive, not a good catch, etc.
Men are reacting to the culture as much as women – it’s not that “we” don’t respect “our” women here in the U.S. We simply have to meet expectations if we are going to make an impression. If the Netherlands has moved to a more equality approach, where women do not see the male paying as a sign or indication of anything, then more power to you. I can’t wait for it to happen here too.
You can do it anywhere, as long as you do it tactfully and up-front. You can offer to allow her to pay half the tab, for example. That way you can show both willingness to provide, while also showing respect for her independence. Or you can ask her to forgive you for paying her share of the tab as well as your own – which gives you time to explain and show your respect, which may lead to her offering to pay her own share of the tab, while feeling better about you for it.
Of course you “can” do it anywhere. It’s not a question of “can.” However, women here in the U.S. don’t want to pay for their portion of dates. They – in general – not saying “all” – don’t want to be given the opportunity to pay half the tab, and have no real care about having you prove their independence.
I couldn’t imagine saying something like you described to a woman on a date? Apologize for paying for her half? That would sound ridiculous in an environment where men customarily pay. What would the man be apologizing for? It’s normal for him to pay. It would be interpreted as a veiled hint that she SHOULD pay, and she’d go home and tell her friends about this weirdo who “apologized” for paying the bill.
And even stranger on an American date would be to “offer to allow her to pay half the tab.” What would one say? “Janie, this was a wonderful dinner. Allow me to offer to let you pay for half of the tab. It’s the least I can do.” An American girl would look at the guy like he had seven heads. She’d then take out her wallet and fumble out some cash and hand it to you, having been essentially told that the guy wants her to pay her way.
If women are that stuck-up old-fashioned about it, it says something about their personality…
Also, you don’t say it without explanation. To take your example, you would say: “Janie, this was a wonderful dinner. Now, do you want us to be old-fashioned or shall I allow you to pay your half of the tab? I want us to be equals.”
That way you convey your respect, while still allowing her the opportunity to refuse and tell you to pay the whole tab, in the old-fashioned pre-emancipation manner.
One, that would be interpreted by her as you asking her to pay her half – a roundabout hint that you think she should pay half. Nobody wants to be old fashioned, and everyone wants to be equals, thus, her only conclusion will be that if she doesn’t pay for 1/2 she will be thought of as old fashioned and not equal.
You also phrase this in terms of “allow.” She doesn’t need a man to “allow” her to pay or not pay. That itself is a ridiculously sexist way to approach the topic.
When a guy asks a woman out, in the U.S., the basic assumption is that he will pay, unless it is otherwise stated. When a woman asks a man out, the assumption is not the same. The man must be prepared to pay half, unless the woman insists. It just is what it is.
There is no special need to “convey respect,” and in fact going out of one’s way to specially convey respect is actually counterproductive. What one should do is simply behave in a respectful way, and treat a woman as an equal.
That being said, if you end a dinner as you have suggested, I think that the smart money will be on you being perceived as a creep or at best weird.
The attitude of “men pay” is still with us…check this out: http://everydaygoddess.typepad.com/everyday_goddess/2005/08/experience_has_.html?cid=116322752#comments
I wonder if going Dutch is only an issue for dates involving members of the opposite sex.
How about the origin of Turkish Delight? Also the name of an enormously successful (and very explicit) adult film made in the 70s by DUTCH director Paul Verhoeven (the same guy who later came to America to do Robocop, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, etc.). No doubt there are a number of “Turkish” expressions, too.
…ain’t nobody’s business but the Turks!
Turks fruit
Hey, I’m new here and I have a word that I request
Techno (as in the type of music)
I would love to know the origin of this word……….thank you
I’ve never asked a girl to go dutch with me. When i’m inviting, I’ll pay the bill..
oh yeah, for the next lesson: what is the origin of “hitting the head on the nail”? you say it whenever you are right or says the truth.. I’d like to know that =)
cheers Marina
darklordsmurf, “its hit the nail on the head”, or your way if your the hammar.
thanks for that =)
Personally I like to hit the hammer on the anvil with a hot piece of metal in between.
Why do the Dutch wear clogs? If you were Dutch, wooden shoe?
Why did the Dutch boy get slapped?
He tried to put his finger in the dike.
a perfect 5
Dutch elm disease – a disease of elms caused by a fungus
in Dutch – in trouble
now why don’t you go ahead outside
Marina,
After watching this video I would say you had a “Dutch boyfriend”.
Dump that turkey.
The only way you should go dutch is if said that he wanted to go dutch when he asked you out. Either that… or if you guys are SO CLOSE that you are now sharing bank accounts.
What and you believe that someone would be lucky enough to get a date with Marina and go Dutch ? I don’t .