Forte

You say fort-ay, I say fort.. what the heck is going on???

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  1. leoNard says:

    You are soul bright; it must run in the family. My fort is old and is filled with forte. Kulaks make hay before the thunder walzed; many times passed and order filled the organized promise of all faith of love. :oops: I did the “Fathers and Sons”…I cry for Bazarov and all his “Forte’”

  2. mike gabbert says:

    Forte, pronounced “fort,” means one’s strength. It comes from a fencing term describing the blade or shaft of the epee. The part from the base or handle to the midpoint is the forte, or strong part of the blade. The flimsier part from the midpoint to the tip is the foible, or weak part of the blade. We use forte (fort) to describe our strong characteristics just as we describe the strong part of the epee. By the way, our foible is also the weak part of our character. Foible also gives us feeble.

    Forte, pronounced “for-tay,” is a musical term meaning to play loudly. It is the opposite of piano which means to play softly. The musical instrument, the piano, got its name from being able to play both softly and loudly; it was called the piano forte, later shortened to piano. These terms like so many in the music lexicon are Italian. Before the piano other keyboard instruments like the harpsichord could only play at one level of volume.

  3. louie says:

    Dear Marina,

    I wanted to post to your “My Strong Point” lesson but I could not find it here.

    Forgive me but while there may be words that you can find in the OED, like “nounize,” the support for the origin of such words often comes down to poetic license. See, e.g., the reference to Shakespeare’s Henry IV. I guess I am something of purist when it comes to regular discourse or prose, and I do not easily accept poetic fabrications in the these contexts, especially when there are other normal words that can do the job. Otherwise any clever person can just come up with a new fancy shmancy word and say it’s a word. Like so — I want to express a woman’s beautiful blue eyes and how they make me feel so I say they are “celestially” or that I dive into their “bleauty.”

  4. tabatacash says:

    Just to add one thing to Cunnivore ( I prefere not to translate from french to enlish your name…) It is “FORT” but in french you do not pronounce the T.

    In other words it means that you are strong in a discipline …as in french: “tu es fort en..” or when you say in french ” les abdominos c’est le fort de Marina”…

    byee

  5. cgijoe says:

    Marina,

    I hate to correct the teacher, but I just watched this wonderful work on the word Forte and I noticed that you posted the word “Situps” while you were actually doing “crunches”…

    Normally I wouldn’t say anything, but as this is a class about the meaning of words, I had to mention it…. :mrgreen:

    All the best

    -j

  6. cunnivore says:

    No doubt “fortay” arose (a) to show off that you know it’s French, and (b) to distinguish forte from fort — although it’s hard to think of too many sentences in which the two words might be confused. (Here’s one: Apache was his fort ie “He was stationed at Fort Apache”; Apache was his forte ie “His expertise in the Apache language was his strong point”.)

    I’ve even seen it spelled “forté” once or twice, which is sad.

    So I think the deal is this: If you want to impress people who don’t know French, then say “fortay”. But if you want to impress people who do know French, then say “fort”.

    In a similar way, most Americans now pronounce route the same as rout — presumably to distinguish it from root, which is a commoner word than rout.

    We can even see the same thing in words that have nothing to do with French:

    Lie (“recline”) and lay (“set down”) have been two different words for a thousand years; but over the last generation or two, most Americans have begun saying lay (as in, “he was laying on the floor”) when they mean lie.

    Why is this? Well my guess is that they’re trying to distinguish lie (“recline”) from lie (“tell an untruth”), which is another word entirely. (And no, I’m not casting aspersions on Americans. For all I know, this may be going on in England as well, and I just don’t know about it.)

    “Fortáy” reminds me of valet. I have always pronounced this word so that it rhymes with mallet or palate. I don’t know why: I guess that’s just how I learned it; and anyway my 1984 dictionary agrees. But now I only hear “valláy” — and people look at me funny when I say “vállet”.

    So why is this? Well, I suspect it’s because it sounds fancier to have a “valláy” than than “vállet”. Just a guess.

  7. blueskies13 says:

    and again my birthday is coming up this month on the 27th will i get a card?

  8. blueskies13 says:

    i useally do not comment on how good you look becouse it is obvious but your yellow out fit while you were doing your workout wow you are really in shape and very beutifull sorry i have been gone for a few day but that damn hurricain past hear and we are going to have an other one wish me luck i would hat to die in one of those horrible storms

  9. Marina on the carpet… yeah, babay! :mrgreen:
    Exercising alone like that can be dangerous…
    I’d love to be your personal trainer :mrgreen:
    “Work it! Push harder!” LOL! :smile:

  10. nw2394 says:

    I have only ever heard it pronounced “fortay”. I don’t know where this “fort” business comes from.

    Nick

  11. whocoulditbe says:

    I think that it might be fort, because, in french you would pronounce forte more like fort. Anyway I like your videos :smile:

  12. kaibanator says:

    For me, pronouncing forte as fort-ay would be easier. Mainly because if you’re trying to describe your forte and pronounce it as fort, people might confuse it for a castle or something :lol:

    Jya mata ne :cool:

  13. matalexwolf says:

    fort-ay, isn’t it? Eight sit ups there M, dam, and you look so hot for so little work out :grin:

  14. ectoplasm4 says:

    its pronnounced fort

    fort-ay is a term in music meaning loud

  15. If you want to be a purist, then go for “fOrt,” “fOr,” or even “fOr-tis,” but I say languages change over time, so deal with it and just go with whatever’s most popular (as long as it doesn’t lower your standing in society). So, catch the wave and say for-TAY (obviously, I caught the one from the 80′s).

  16. howard56 says:

    Hello Marina,
    I would like to know the origins of the word “Boondoggle”. In some ways this tem appears to be a lifestyle choice for some people :-(
    I think you are adorable and keep up the good work. I could not agree more, Intelligence is sexy.
    Howard56

  17. barnkat36 says:

    Good Day My Hot Teacher Lady , I think your right, it’s forte’ duh :!: Becaues fort is where you go for protection from your enemies. :roll: For a word how bout – forkitover – You know like ; Hey you, if you have my dictionary you better forkitover :!:
    Hello Everyone else also, JonX0X0

  18. eulogic says:

    hotforwords please investigate the word GEEZER and why does it refer to an old person?

  19. codyg123 says:

    Hotforwords, i would like to know the origin of the word “bologna”. Please Investigate! =]

  20. Prime says:

    I’ve only ever heard it pronounced “for-TAY”.

    Anyways, welcome to my first post on your sight, Marina! :cool:

    I would like to request that you enlighten us on the word “allelomimetic”, as in the “allelomimetic behavior”.

    I also want to thank you for teaching me the word floccinaucinihilipilification. Antidisestablishmentarianism was previously the longest word I knew, and I’m always pretty psyched to upgrade.

    Woot! (Actually, that’s another good word to investigate.)

  21. Captain Jack says:

    Ok this is so weird. For the past day, Rick and I are chatting about our experience in Karate. This is just weird that Marina did a video on the subject at the same time we where talking about it. Rick even mentioned that Marina talked about Karate in an earlier post. Well gang I have to go to class. I can’t wait any longer. :sad:

  22. protac6 says:

    Heck, if the video isn’t up here yet, I’ll start the homework already for extra credit.

    Homework: My favorite martial arts is muai thai because I like using my elbows and knees during a fight. :grin:

  23. protac6 says:

    Everyone is waiting for this karate video like new pair of shoes coming out. :smile:

  24. James says:

    Marina what are you doing to me :?: :?: When I go on your channel it says video not avalible then it messes everything on youtube for youtube. I can’t do anything at all. for about 10 mins

  25. danielpool52 says:

    marina is still at her karate class

  26. James says:

    Partnership turned down again

    4th application

  27. dubmnky says:

    can u plz find out where the word shampoo originated. thx =)

  28. James says:

    When Is The New Video Coming Up

  29. josephmscher says:

    Hi Marina sweetheart. You are the sweetest sexiest russian babe i know.

  30. I would love to see the word, Vodka! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:

  31. wetsuit5 says:

    HotForWords must have a new secret rule. :oops: :???: :idea:
    No more lessons till we all do 10 crunches. :eek: :mad: :eek:

    Grrrrrunt 1
    Grrrrrunt 2 …

    Grrrrrunt 10

    OK for the new lesson, after my recovery nap… :cool:

  32. tab says:

    Hey Marina, I was wondering what’s so anal about an analysis?

  33. James says:

    Is youtube down for anyone else ATM?

  34. GREG says:

    Hey,,,,, Cheep skates
    Has anyone send Teacher

    ?Poison by Chris Dior?

    Cheep Skate there is a good phrase for the teacher to discuss
    Skin Flint
    Tight Wad
    Jew :lol: playing……!

  35. grondor says:

    i would like to request colonization, also i was wondering if it had any ties to columbus who’s name pronounced in spanish is colonbus.

  36. monday says:

    i would like to request these words:
    pickle
    conch

    If you could tell us the origins that would be awesome =)

  37. bl355y0u says:

    What is the Origin For the Word: Theorem???

  38. Fianchetto says:

    I’d like to share my all-time favourite, from when I was a paramedic- often when asked “What’s the good word?” I would reply, “bezoar-a calcification found in the intestinal tractsof ruminant animale used by primitive peoples as a talisman to ward off evil spirits and promote health.”
    I have no idea of the etymology and would be most pleased to have you to teach me the origins of my favourite word. Please :-)

    Thank you very much, and keep up the tremendous work:-)

    Ciao,
    Fianchetto

  39. sniperskaya says:

    Forte’? Marina, you don’t look a day over 39! :razz:

  40. animalntaz says:

    Will Forte: “Live, from New York, it’s SATURDAY NIGHT!” :mrgreen:

  41. animalntaz says:

    :lol: Kobe’s forte is playing fetch.

  42. velzinha says:

    I think it says FortE, because it is not an english word.. Well, I am brazilian and we say the same word: “This is not my forte” – translating, “Este não é o meu forte”. Forte in portuguese means strong, as in this is not my “ponto forte”, literally “strong point”, slang term for my “best quality”.

  43. James says:

    Hmm. What happened to the rest of the coloured border crew? It seems like its only me alx capman and buzzword have them and I swear there were more people than that.

  44. hamadzafar says:

    Hi Marina. i have been watching your videos for quite a while now so i finally subscribed today. and made an account on your website. well first of all id like to say that ur beautiful and im pretty sure a russian billionaire will fall in love with u pretty soon. ur dog is really cute too. i do have a request for a word. i checked ur lists and this word is not on there. the word is WARRANT. like you know when the cops say we have a warrant for your arrest. and i guess u can tie in the word WARRANTY with that too if its possible. thanks for reading and i hope you full fill my word request.

    your trustee Hamad Zafar lol

  45. b-meister says:

    It can be pronounced both ways, I looked it up on my dictionary.com widget on my mac computer. :shock:

  46. mittheman says:

    Marina,

    I’m crying corcodile tears because without rhyme or reason, none of my request are ever used. I don’t want to make bones about the matter but I’m mad as a hatter and thinking of throwing in the towel if you don’t promulgate at least one of my requests.

    • Boo hoo! So, it’s instant gratification
      or none at all?? hmmm…. I didn’t get
      a request answered for six monthes…
      …and it was not even the ones I was
      really pushing for (dirt, flirt, etc.).
      I consider myself extremely fortunate
      that Marina selected “spoon”, else
      I’d still be waiting, patiently. Give the
      girl a break – maybe come up with
      some decent word requests. Spend
      some time actually reading comments
      to see if your requests have merit, or
      are just adding to the clutter. PEACE :mrgreen:

    • pedanticKarl says:

      Hi mittheman, I’ve been on here for ten years and never had a request used. — OK, just kidding. :smile:

      Anyway, from Marina’s past comments here is the deal. Maybe Marina can add to this or correct me if I’m wrong.

      From user’s requests, Marina picks those that make for an interesting video. Some etymologies just don’t. She also tries to use words that that fit into current events (movies, news, geek stuff, etc)

      Also, some word requests take more research than others, and despite all of her efforts, there is always some tiny detail that could be added after the release of the video.

      I had requested the word Cologne a few months ago. She just did it, but not from my request as the context of the way she did the video was much funnier and more enlightening. She did a great job on that video which I would have never expected. She is brilliant. So, expect the unexpected.

      Besides that, she gets a ton of requests. Your’s will eventually come.
      Have lots of patience. Or, poetically speaking, “… we suffer in silence”.

      • pedanticKarl says:

        By the way, I had requested the origin of “April’s Fool” which she didn’t do. Why? I made the request on March 31, or was it Apr 1. So, that means I’ll have to wait for one year to see that request. Of course, she could do that video at any time. With Marina, there is always a surprise and keeps me on my toes.

  47. tayljim says:

    2657 votes
    #2 1642
    If every subscriber voted just one time
    it would be no contest

  48. Fianchetto says:

    YIPPEE! I finally got my new avatar :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

    MUCH!!!!!!!! better than the former default mutant alien that was there before:-)

  49. Prospero says:

    I think it can be pronounced either way.

  50. Fianchetto says:

    IMHO, I am quite certain that /fort/ is correct, HOWEVER, like many other corruptions of the origional words that become misused often enough to become more frequently used than the original, I think this may be a word in transition. See our Dear Teacher’s lessons on “Goodbye” and “Mayday”. Just as these words evolved by contraction/mispronunciation, I believe forte is doing the same. Several nautical terms come to mind as captains picked up non-native-English speaking crewmen when in a foreign port to replace original crew lost on the way, and who adapted their languages to lust enough english to “get by” (intermediate languages like this are called “Pidgin” languages, and often have parts borrowed from both original languages), “Forecastle” became “Foc’sul”, “Boatswain” became “Bosun”, and “Gunwhale” became “Gunn’l”

  51. louie says:

    Hello Marina. My mother used to serve me a “hotty-toddy” when I had a bad cough. It was lemon juice, honey, whiskey all heated up into a nice syrup. If it didn’t solve the cough, I least I felt better. Can you look into the origin of the word? I’ve had my suspicion that it relates to the Dutch and an obscure African tribe.

    My best regards,

    Louie

    P.S. Your Maltese is adorable.

  52. torrecillas says:

    HELLO MARINA.

    I AM FROM COLOMBIA IN SOUTH AMERICA…
    AND RECENTLY I HAVE FOUND YOUR YOUTUBE SITE AND THIS WEBPAGE….

    IN SPANISH, WE CALL “PALINDROMO” OR “CAPICUA” TO SPECIAL WORDS OR PHRASES…

    IN ENGLISH ARE CALLED PALINDROME…

    I`M LEARNING ENGLISH AND NOW YOU ARE MY SECOND TEACHER (THE OTHER ONE IS MALE AND ISN´T AS SEXY AS YOU)

    SO… WOULD YOU DO A SPECIAL VIDEO JUST FOR PALINDROMES?

    THANKS FOR HELPING ME LEARNING ENGLISH IN YOUR SEXY WAY…

    YOURS:
    David torrecillas (my surename in english would be: little-towers).

    thnks :smile:

  53. James says:

    When they turn on the hadron collider, if we all die I want you to know….. :mrgreen:

  54. cufan71 says:

    ZOWIE!!! Hi Marina! I noticed you haven’t done any lessons on those zany Z words like:
    Zoo
    Zebra
    Zipper
    Zap
    Zig-Zag etc….
    And what about the letter Z who invented it? CraZy!!! :mrgreen:

  55. wetsuit5 says:

    @ 2640 (That’s a good margin)
    #2 @ 1642 (Good number for violating the rules)
    #3 @ 1102 (Whacha doin back der?)

    Still gonna bust the thermometer! :twisted:

  56. snaxman says:

    you are correct its fort-ay

  57. hotta_hotta says:

    or if not the wisdom tooth, maybe the everybody-loves-to-do sweet act — the famous French kiss :mrgreen: . why is it with the word “French”? were the French the ones who coined it because they had too many lovers?? or is there really an official fact about it?? because i dont think kisses have nationalities. i would never say american kiss, or japanese kiss, right? but why French kiss?it’s very much specific compared to other forms of kisses.

    :arrow: waitin’ for your response no matter when.. :wink:

    take care.. :smile:

  58. hotta_hotta says:

    hey marina! i just would like to know why the last molars that grow in our gums are called wisdom teeth? is it because we are getting old and have wisdom? i’d be more than glad if you discuss this. thanks and Godbless!

    • torrecillas says:

      Is a very special word.
      In spanish we call to those molars, something like: “the sense teeth”,
      (muelas del juicio).
      mothers of south amreica call it: “youth teeth”.

      Whatever, in both languages, that molars have the same point: when it appear, it hurts and are the sign that you are not a child.

      Maybe the comparisson between languages could help you…
      is the same historical root.

  59. pedanticKarl says:

    Despite a significant 933 vote lead, my friends and I are still voting. Marina’s video now has 2575 votes. :smile:

  60. nas says:

    Hi Marina,

    I would know the meaning of the title of a song By Led Zeppelin: “whola lotta love”.

    P.s. :sorry for my bad english but I’m italian.
    In italian “forte” means strong but i think u allready knew this… :mrgreen:

  61. foxbow says:

    wth…this video is allready at 21 most viewed today…that was quik :shock:

  62. “Learning is what most adults will do for a living in the 21st century.” – Lewis Perelman

    .
    I guess that explains why we all show up for your lessons?
    Nah! We’d be here anyway – it’s about Marina’s hotnesss.. :mrgreen:

  63. pedanticKarl says:

    Hello Marina, I just noticed on YT, your Forte video had an advertisement about an upcoming movie, “How To Lose Friends”. They are having a video contest called “Most Embarrassing Office Blunders”.

    There is no voting as such, and the popularity YT views count for 30% of the judging. There are 5 videos uploaded so far and they are all bad. One of them is already disqualified as it is longer than 2 minutes.
    Humor counts for 35% and originality counts for the other 35%.
    I think you should enter. I can just imagine some embarrassing moment in a teachers life of etymology. :oops:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/LoseFriends

  64. BillyB says:

    Get a coach…like Bob I was under the impression that one should not do sit-ups or crunches with the hands or an object held behind the neck…One should, apparently, hold the hands or object over the chest… and a progressively bigger ball to throw to Kobe & you too, can look like Lisa Nova. Kobe, with a haircut & a california tan, may also beef up a little.

  65. forager says:

    Fort…… Forte One is derived from the other. The Pronunciation is differrent, They mean 2 different things. Websters, remember Them? It’s a Dictionary….. Not Wiki whatever

    • Dezdkado says:

      I would agree that Wikipedia is not the most scholarly source of info. However, inside Webster’s dictionary, you should be able to find an etymological guide after every word entry in that dictionary (If not, find another dictionary). You may be able to observe that all definitions of forte have the same etymological source and the same root meaning. All of the definitions of forte are synonyms of each other, further exemplifying their common root meaning. The substantive difference is the pronunciation, which is the point of this exercise.

  66. forager says:

    Hey darknight! Before You start calling People Ignorant! WHY don’t You learn how to Spell? Next time I’m Bored Silly. I will not stop Here. Sorry Marina:):):)

  67. protac6 says:

    I thought your Maxim show only comes on every other Friday?

  68. muggins says:

    I change my mind. For-tay is okay enough to be crowned “correct”, on the grounds we all should bow to common usage of the incorrect pronunciation. Besides, it is a practical mispronunciation because it differentiates between fort and forte.

    (BTW- I think my long suppressed teenage foot fetish is starting to surface again after Marina’s video lesson on forte.) Which reminds me of a story…
    An old construction worker I was learning from many, many moons ago, was from Nevada (stop me if I told this before), and he told me about what he said to his girlfriend when they visited his hometown in Nevada. It was
    Gene Autry’s (the cowboy crooner) old hometown. And he had a twin brother who had as good a singing voice as Gene, but he had a stutter when he talked. It was a small town and the old construction dude knew Gene’s brother and waved him over. He told his girlfriend that whole story as he walked towards them, and he added: Watch his eyes when I introduce you to him. His gaze will wonder down to your shoes. He has a foot fetish and everybody in town knows it. :roll:

    • Dezdkado says:

      You bring up a good point, Muggins… when context isn’t enough to provide meaning, pronunciation can give the needed clue. It is possible for one to be confused between a fort, as in a fortification, or a forte, as in a personal strength, without differentiating between the two through pronunciation.

      “Survival is this warrior’s fort.” – refers to where the warrior is stationed (Fort Survival).
      “Survival is this warrior’s forte.” – refers to the particular skill of the warrior.

      Without the Italian pronunciation of “for-tay”, one may get bogus info from the statement.

      • muggins says:

        Precisely, dezdkado, why risk a possible confusion? Even if the mind
        has to ponder for only a second to guess at the best meaning within the context, it’s much smoother not have to work that out and instead continue listening to the conversation. I might just add that the Italian word, forte, means ‘loud’, and so we are choosing to lay a small burden on the Italians who speak English to have to hash out which is which…’loud’ or ‘strong point’?…that is the task we lay on our Italian friends. Maybe we can spread the word not to use ‘forte’ when there are Italians involved. It’s the least we can do.

  69. nyles7 says:

    Perhaps this is not a request for a word as much as “why isn’t this a word?”
    My 5 year old son started using the word “fastly” since this seems to be the opposite of “slowly”
    For the life of me, I can’t figure out why this should be incorrect!
    Help!

  70. Hello. Although it has nothing to do with ‘forte,’ I would like to request a lesson. I have become interested in the term ‘host’ and wonder if there is a connection between host-parasite ‘host’ and eucharist ‘host.’ Can you help? :???: :???: :???:

  71. koalabear says:

    I mispronounce forte as for-tay,
    the same way I mispronounce zoology as zoo-ology
    - “The study of zoos” :mrgreen:

  72. darkblade says:

    whooow…lot of ignorant people on youtube…
    so.if it’s still necessary: Forte comes from the latin word “fortis” meaning strength…it was used to compose other words like fortification(french), fortificatione(italian), fortificatie(romanian),all neo-latin languages.the problem seems to appear in the french area,because they blame the accent.the accent on “E” looks like this / or like this \ (they are on top of E) and they determine either the E letter is pronounced or not (YES,if the accent is / “aiguu” meaning sharp and NOT if the accent is \ “grave” meaning serious-short”…anyway, in the case brought up by Marina, we shall use ['fort] as in “je suis fort en…”=”i’m skilled/good at…” the therm forte where you pronounce the E or ey or tey is use in music.still,today,more and more institutions accept both forms as correct

    • celebornmars says:

      1) The correct spelling of your word in Italian was “fortificaZione”.
      2) The adjective in French is “fort” (the “t” is mute) and not “forte”. “forte” is the female form (with a mute “e” at the end but the “t” pronounced).
      3) The adjective “forte” exists also in Italian and all of its letters are pronounced.

      • darkblade says:

        yeah..i know it’s with Z in italian…just missed type.i was talking about the accents on E in French language…and you’re wrong,the “T” is not mute

      • celebornmars says:

        Sorry, but I’M FRENCH and I know how to pronounce French words. :mrgreen: In the word “fort” (the name or the adjective), the final “t” is mute. It is only pronounced when you use the female form of the adjective “forte”. In that case, the “e” is still mute, as I said. Actually, the “e” can be pronounced in the South of France but this is not a standard pronunciation.

      • 2utoday says:

        :mrgreen: Hey! I’m from planet Earth and I’m going to go to a movie and forget all about this silly stuff!!

  73. forager says:

    To David; Canadians don’t say,( eh ) Only Ignorant People Use slang! That Term was Promoted by 2 Comedians, Bob & Doug Mc. Kensie. Get Off It. Forte, Is Pronounced… Four- tey. Please Everybody Smile!!!! Marina needed a day off, She’s My Hero!!! I Love the site, sometimes Marina, You don’t dig deep enough. I Luv Ya anyways:) Darryl

  74. labbatt78 says:

    What’s the origin of “Rosh Hashanah” and who celebrates that holiday?

    • Dezdkado says:

      Rosh HaShanah is a Jewish celebration. It literally means “Head of the Year” and celebrates the beginning of the civil Hebrew calendar. The day is celebrated as Yom Teruah the “Day of (the blowing of) the horn” or “Day of the Trumpet” by the blowing of a shofar (a ram’s horn). Some Rabbis describe this day as the day of judgment, others as a day of remembrance. It is also the first day of the ten “Days of Awe” (Yamim Noraim) that culminates in Yom Kippur (Yom Kippurim) “Day of Atonement(s)”. Rosh HaShanah marks the beginning of the Jewish High Holy Days. If you meet your Jewish friends or neighbors on this day, it is considered polite to wish them a good year with the greeting “Shana Tova.”

  75. forager says:

    Forte? I mean ? who The Frack, does’nt know what that means! It’s what You’re best at. Duh!!!! Also, bestest, strongest part of Sword, Near, Close, To the Hilt! Please Marina, You can do so much Better

  76. b says:

    Dear Marina,

    Everybody has a forte or two or three or more… it comes from inside your core.

    I like looking for discarded things and transforming/modifying them into something better and useful… it’s one of my fortes.

    See here…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGUxKSd9TrQ

  77. leoNard says:

    much over rated, much to do about nothing. I’m good at breathing air and farting and getting loud and louder, but why work?

    • 2utoday says:

      :mrgreen: Hey,don’t joke around about farting. It is an art form! There are the loud ones,silent ones,ones that sound like a whistle,wet ones,and some that sound like an atom bomb going off just to name a few. I wouldn’t doubt that somewhere in this world that there is a school of farting. Just take an extra pair of underwear when you attend class. You know,just for accidents-yikes!!

  78. 2utoday says:

    :mrgreen: Ah-ha!! You finally got stumped!! But have no fear! People like me will give you the scoop on this crazy word!! Every body I know says for-te. So do I. If I were to use the word fort,people would say,”what’s that?” So,in my town,you should say for-te. However,I have heard from college professors,that fort is grammatically correct. In my opinion,say it the way those you associate with pronounce it. That way,you will avoid people asking you what you are talking about-unless of course,you are a chatterbox and just have to keep talking. Now,you have the whole story-I think!!! Isn’t that a great idea?

  79. mrwalper says:

    Hey Maria, kudos for you to keep in shape! And thanks for sharing it with us! :wink: It’s something that I should do more of… wait… what is the origin of Kudos? Seems like an odd word.

  80. b says:

    Hi Marina,

    Forte, as I have heard it… is with the eh! pronunciation on the end of the word … eh! ( the eh! on the end of this sentence shows an idiosyncratic identifier common to Canadians, eh! ). :arrow: :roll:

  81. rushman71 says:

    Hey, Marina, here is your answer. It is both. So if I were you, I would continue to say it how I would like to say it. :cool:
    1. for·te [ fawrt, fáwr tày ] (plural for·tes)
    2. for·te [ fáwr tày, fáwrtee ]

    rushman71

  82. dsolaris says:

    I think I found the longest word in the English Language.
    Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicavolcanoconiosis (45 letters). And the longest Latin word consists of 52 letters.

    Not just trying to find long words, but I do find myself looking at these and trying to break them down part by part. You are rubbing off.

    But for a more normal word. Well not so normal. I enjoy peering at the stars at night and I came across this word which I find interesting if not strange. The word is syzygy.

    For the life of me, I can’t seem to easily break that one down because it is so freaking short. Wanna give it a shot? :???:

    A.K.A WiredSolaris
    Student in Training

  83. quint says:

    Marina,
    I have a word request. “Toehead”
    I know what the word means, it is often used to describe a child with blonde hair… but where did it come from?

    thanks,
    QuinT

    • Dezdkado says:

      It comes from working flax (a fibrous plant from which we make linen)… a toe is a clump of combed and processed flax and it is bright yellow in color. Thus, toe-heads (blonds) have hair the color of worked flax. Flax is a common poetic term for blonds as well (hair of flax, flaxen-haired, etc.)

      On a tour of Mt. Vernon I once was able to see and participate in processing flax as it was done in the days of the gentleman farmer, George Washington.

  84. SurfinRI says:

    Forté for me, my dear Marina!

  85. bill2468 says:

    Forte is between thirte-nine and forte-one !

    BiLL

  86. crazytns says:

    i think u never looked up “Take A Bow” so if you are kind enough look it up =] ill try to video request it too!

  87. mattym says:

    Everyone i have known has said Fort-ay. Can be said either way.
    Original meaning is the strong point of a sword. Now it means a persons strong point.
    Teacher is always right…Fort-ay :grin:

  88. Dezdkado says:

    Marina,

    It is pronounced both ways. However, the meaning you intend determines the proper pronunciation.

    Forte (as a noun) comes from the Middle English word “fort” meaning “strength” which in turn comes from Old French “fort” which comes from Latin “fortis” which comes from Old Latin “forcius” which comes from the Indo-European base “bheregh” meaning “high, elevated, strong.” This English “forte” is properly pronounced as “fort”. This word is the basis for the English words “fortress” and “fortify”. As a noun it has two meanings: (1) a thing that a person does particularly well; special accomplishment or strong point (2) the strongest part of the blade of a sword, between the middle and the hilt (which is contrasted by the “foible” which is the weakest part of the blade of a sword, from the middle to the tip). This second usage began around 1648 as the usage of long and broad swords waned and the usage of sabers, cutlasses, and rapiers waxed.

    Forte (in music) is pronounced “for-tay” and comes from Italian “forte” meaning “strong” or “strength” which also comes from Latin “fortis”, etc. Used as an adjective or adverb its meaning is: loud (music); a direction to the performer to play with strength or force, as opposed to “piano” which is “soft”. As a noun its meaning is: a forte note or passage (in music). The direction in music “pianoforte” means to play softly, then loud.

    That folks are pronouncing the word as “fort” or “for-tay” does not change the root meaning of “forte.” It is still a strength. One etymological dictionary states that the usage of forte to describe a personal strength in ability or character originates in 1682. This period of time (in Europe and its colonies) is marked with a great focus on music (that we call classical) and opera as well as fashionable swordplay. I suggest that the common pronunciation of “forte” (“for-tay”) is an improper pronunciation that blends the Italian pronunciation of the word with an English usage… which still maintains the root meaning of the word.

    I pulled this from the “Word of the Day Archive”
    Forte (etymology): From Latin fortis “strong” via French “fort” and Italian “forte,” the word also behind English “fort(ress)” and “fortify.” The ultimate root from which “fortis” derived is probably *bhergh-, the source of German Berg “mountain” and Russian bereg “bank, shore.” It turns up in Old English “burg” that gave modern “borough” and was borrowed into French as bourg “town” from which “bourgeois” and “bourgeoisie” are derived.

  89. ptery says:

    According to my research both “Fort” and “Fort-ay” are acceptable pronunciations for forte BUT since the word is french in origin I would think that it’s supposed to be pronounced “Fort-ay”

    According to my mother, (a french professor) french words that end with any of the letters in the word “careful” get pronounced. SO since forte ends in an “e” it would be pronounced giving forte the second syllable.

    The defense rests.

    • 2utoday says:

      :mrgreen: Good!! Now I can go back to sleep!!

    • celebornmars says:

      You come a bit fast to your conclusion :wink:
      Firstly, it appears that the original word was not “forte” but “fort”. The final “e” doesn’t come from French but from Italian, and the pronunciation “fortay” comes from Italian. In French, in the female form of the adjective “fort”, which is “forte”, the final “e” is mute.
      Additionally, when English borrow words to another language, they generally changes its pronunciation with the English pronunciation rules. Of course there are exceptions (the word “rendezvous” for example) but they aren’t very numerous compared to the number of transformed words.

  90. protac6 says:

    Haha cute. Brings up a word request.

    Word Request: “Workout” Working out is also my forTE (How I say it) like you, but where does “working out” come from? Do you have do what it literally says and “work” or excersise “out” or outside? If so, then why are gyms built? Of course my ripped, curvy, toned teacher should know the answer, right?

    Thanks Marina
    Matthew

  91. Hey marina i have a word request!

    OK Here goes.

    I want to know what the word ‘word’ means. We all know you’re hot for words, but what DOES the word ‘word’ mean. If you could do a video about it that would be great.

    Hugs from canada!

    Hagan

  92. joylight says:

    Marina,
    Of course you are right!
    Forte, with the ‘e’ being pronounced.

  93. It may come from the Italian word “Forte” pronounced “Fortay.” The piano was originally called the “Pianoforte,” meaning it could be played soft (piano) or loud (forte’), as opposed to the harpsichord which has only one volume level.” Forte’ in Italian may also imply strength. I’m afraid my only forte’ is avoiding work.

  94. I’m afraid Kobe stole the show this time. I’m betting no tennis ball is safe within a mile of himl

  95. crazytns says:

    most people in America say its raining “Cats&Dogs” i want you to investigate where this phrase came from =]

  96. It is definitely “fort-ay.” That’s how it is always said in reference to dynamic level in music, anyway.

  97. freemufasa says:

    Dear professor Marina. I would love for you to tell us the meaning/background of the word “hysteria”. I think it could be your best word ever.

    P.S. Thank you for appealing to my geekiest of interests, philology and linguistics are so cool.

  98. rype says:

    Hello, I have a word request
    how about the word “WORD” why do we call it this? were did it come from?

    Anyway thankyou marina I have learned SO MUCH :grin:

  99. orion_ss1 says:

    I always have and always will pronounce it ‘fort-ay’. My music major girlfriend agrees ( which is rare ).

    If you agree that the purpose of language ( words ) is to communicate, and if you agree that effective communications are better than vague communications, then you should ask yourself if more people would be enlightened by the ‘fort-ay’ pronunciation; and then ask yourself which is more appropriate?

    Heck, even my fencing instructor ( a PE major ) called it ‘fort-ay’
    ( well, even a clock that is stopped is right twice a day ).

  100. Male for female…. Hmmm…. :?: aaaaaaay like the fonz of course!

  101. Nathan says:

    http://www.nfl.com/players/mattforte/profile?id=FOR645404

    I’ll stick with the way Chicago Bears 2nd Round Pick Matt Forte (for-tay) says it. =)

    –Nathan

  102. tryant says:

    I vote for for-tay as that’s how it has been said to me since Shep’s great great great grampa-dog was a pup. If looking for the americanized pronunciation that’s the one to go with.

    I request “shot”,as in “shotglass”,there’s gotta be some drinkers here somewhere that might enjoy knowing too.

  103. davetrs says:

    Hey Marina,
    I wanted to know where the phrase, “the bee’s knees” comes from.

  104. James says:

    You could investigate this word.. Good luck prononucing it.. I have read that the OED doesnt have much on this word either

    Zenzizenzizenzic

  105. Bob says:

    I have always pronounced forte as fort-ay because I have never heard it pronounced any other way, but the O.E.D. says that is wrong and it should have a silent “e” when referring to something at which one excels.
    If talking about a pianoforte or how a piece of music should be played loud, the O.E.D. says the accented “e” should be used.
    Very confusing! Now I’m getting scared to open my mouth for fear of making a gaffe (silent “e”) and some pedant putting the boot in.

  106. annuddermale says:

    forte can be pronounced either (or is that eye-thur :?: ) way..

    from Merriam-Webster’s site (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/forte):

    usage In forte we have a word derived from French that in its “strong point” sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. Usage writers have denigrated \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯr-tē\ because they reflect the influence of the Italian-derived 2forte. Their recommended pronunciation \ˈfȯrt\, however, does not exactly reflect French either: the French would write the word le fort and would rhyme it with English for. So you can take your choice, knowing that someone somewhere will dislike whichever variant you choose. All are standard, however. In British English \ˈfȯ-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯt\ predominate; \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \fȯr-ˈtā\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English.

    oh, and about the situps…’er…doesn’t the sun shine in California?… :shock: :cool:

  107. Did you notice that Anglo-Saxon surname ending with -E are pronounced as if they had no -E ending :
    For the most frequent : MOORE, GREENE, LOWE, STEELE, WOLFE, ROWE, POOLE, CLARKE, HORNE, HOWE, SHARPE, COOKE, CROWE, LOCKE, BYRNE, MEADE, GOODE, THORPE, BROWNE, THORNE, and so on…

  108. pedanticKarl says:

    Question: If we didn’t have homonyms, would we still be talking about how to pronounce fort vs fort-tay?

    I think most people have been impacted in some negative way due to hearing one thing when it was supposed to mean another. To prevent mis-heard speech, some people emphasize certain syllables, or in some cases people use affected speech. Here are examples of emphasized or affected speech, not necessarily homonyms. niner (nine), biatch (bitch), dayum (damn)

    How about tort vs torte. We don’t say, “Give the children another piece of tor-tay”.

    Many dictionaries have a usage note regarding the pronunciation of forte, pointing to the influence of the music term forte.

    On a related note, Marina did a video on the word Colonel vs kernel. That video points out some interesting historical things regarding pronunciation.
    http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/01/01/colonel-hotforwords-reporting/

    Hey, if we didn’t have all these inconsistencies there might not have been a HotForWords site. :grin:

  109. kingogames16 says:

    what is the origin of the word east and how did it become associated with a type of direction?

  110. celebornmars says:

    Marina, I have a special request for a special word: Kobe (the name of your lovely but a bit unquiet dog).
    Where does it come from (the name of Kobe Bryant, the Japanese town, something else)?
    And how should it be pronounced? (Kobay, Koby or Kob) :mrgreen:

  111. Marina ! Come on http://www.edufire.com and I will teach you French and you will be FORTE :idea:

  112. Marina doing isometrics to keep the six pack? :grin:
    She should try some leg lifts for that, too… :mrgreen:
    “four-tay” sounds right, just like “re-zoo-may”
    The accent mark above the “e” is often not
    used and this may be wherein the confusion lies.
    Fort may be thought to be the correct usage
    because of words like torte, which has no accent
    mark above the (silent) “e”.
    Kobe loves his ball! :twisted:

  113. tomlmc says:

    since it is getting close to Election time.. how about the word debate..

    or how about the word Election.

  114. lmv says:

    Hi Marina!
    At least in my country (Portugal) ‘forte’ is pronounced ‘fort’. But looks like there are many people who read the ‘e’. Anyways if you learned to say ‘fortay’ and you want to say it, I think there’s no problem (if the ones you’re talking to know what you mean, of course).

    Keep doing your for… keep doing what u do best! :lol:

  115. geronimo says:

    Oh, yeah. Best video yet!

  116. geronimo says:

    I was told years ago that ‘Forte’ is used in musical circles to refer to someones musical specialty, and any other time it should be pronounced ‘Fort’.

  117. 42frogs says:

    I have to agree that most people in the US say fort-ay.
    Like when we say advertisement and vitamin with long I’s

  118. Mojo Default says:

    I tried explaining that I wasn’t that good in attack my defence was my fort(e). They wanted to know if it had a moat :???:

    Now I think that video would benefit from a little more Cowbell…
    http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSkRHXTKlw

  119. smokey36bear says:

    Homework:
    I say for-tay. I never met anyone who says ‘fort’ unless they are talking about ‘Fort Harrison’ ‘Fort Dix’ ……

  120. eiliferbest says:

    Word request: hey Marina i come from Faroe Islands wich is a small island group in europe.
    ive always heard faroe islands (føroyar on faroese) means sheep islands (seyga oyggjar on faoese) so how did sheep islands turn into faroe islands ? is faroe another word for sheep ?

    thx :D

  121. James says:

    Who likes my new channel background.. Hope YouTube will like me a bit more now. :mrgreen:

  122. rob68 says:

    hey marina
    work it baby work it hehe.
    over ere in oz land its pronounced as ”forte” :grin: :grin:

  123. thxeleven38 says:

    Marina :

    I’ve always pronounced it with an e.

    P.S. I see Koby is aggressively pressing forward with your training. I am amazed at how fetching both of you are.

  124. CheVolay says:

    What’s next? Learn as you burn exercise videos. Bodily and mental exertion. Hot For Sweat, next time jumping jacks. :smile: :smile: :wink: :wink: :grin: :grin: :grin:

  125. sicmetal74 says:

    I want to know the meaning and origin of the word Ommision

  126. Warren says:

    Hello Marina,
    Did the earthquake scare you a little? I don’t like that feeling.
    Two excercise videos, maybe you can get enough for a complete weekly workout. :smile:
    Homework: I agree with you with the pronunciation.
    Thank you

  127. crazytns says:

    Nitwit <— seems a good one also fort is how i say it

  128. hrvat says:

    The word ‘Nitwit’ please! :???:

  129. jimhathy.com says:

    I THINK YOU HAVE THE
    “GIFT OF GAB”
    AS YOUR FORTE!

  130. fashfiji says:

    Can u look up the word SUBSCRIBE? :mrgreen:

    • celebornmars says:

      It literaly means: “to write under” (when you sign up a document, you add your signature below the text).
      sub- is a Latin prefix which means “under” and “scribe” comes from the Latin verb “scribere” (to write), which gave scrivere in Italian and écrire in French. We can find also the verb “schreiben” in German but I don’t know if the word has been borrowed by Germans to Latin or if it comes from a more ancient form.
      An interesting thing is that the building of the word is exactly the same in the four languages: subscribe (English), souscrire (French), sottoscrivere (Italian) and unterschreiben (German).

  131. jimhathy.com says:

    I’m with you on this one
    “FOR-TAY”
    If you want fort, it’s fort!
    If you want “for-tay” it’s forte!
    Jim

  132. celebornmars says:

    I didn’t know this word in this meaning before today but what I know is that the pronunciation “for-tay” is not logical because in English we can’t have a two syllabic word with both parts accentuated… The only exception I know is when the word was built with two words connected to each other. But clearly it is not the case here : “forte” refers to the French word “fort” and to the Italian word “forte” (meaning “powerful” or “strong”). The Latin root is “fortis”.
    So I think the two possible ways to pronounce “forte” in English are fɔː’t or fɔː’ti
    If I am wrong, I’d like to have an explanation…

    • celebornmars says:

      Well I realize that the second possible pronunciation I gave can’t be used because it fits with the word “forty”. We could imagine saying fɔː’tə but it sounds a bit weird. So now with the explanation given by tr77379 I understand why we can find the pronunciation fɔː’te’ : to make a difference with the word “fort”.

  133. wetsuit5 says:

    IMHO the Sword use of forte is passe :idea: hence “fortay” is the pronunciation. :wink:

  134. Capman911 says:

    I say fort as in Fort Bragg. I say forte or fortay as this is my forte or hobby or something I like, or a chore I have to do.

  135. James says:

    Thats odd too.. Marina you have more than 100 million views.. Thats not what yoube thinks though http://www.youtube.com/members?s=mv&t=a&g=5&c=0&to=0&p=2

  136. the link didnt work and it wont let me put it in so try these-

    http://www. maniacworld.com/f-81.swf
    http://www. funlol.com/586/History_of_the_F_Word!.html
    http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=AUaWCcDlI5s

  137. Hi,

    I recently found one of your videos when I was bored and quite enjoyed it, so for the past few days I have watched ALL of your videos, one by one. There was a word I was sure I would find, and I waited to come across it. To my surprise I never found it! I heard it quite a few times, but it was never the focus word. This surprised me greatly as it is one of the most versatile and controversial word in the English language.
    I’m sure someone has suggested it in the past; perhaps you were to shy to use it? (even though I heard you say it before).
    I think you already know what the word is and I’m not sure if it has an interesting origin or not. Here is a link to the uses of the word from Monty Python -

    http://www.funlol.com/586/History_of_the_F_Word!.html

    The legendary Billy Connolly said this about it-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q41eoZXDb64

    I hope you consider using it because weather you love it or hate it; EVERYONE has said it at least once in their life. I don’t care if your Mother F*%&ing Teresa.
    Also I would like to hear you read out my name ;-)

  138. wetsuit5 says:

    As part of a sword it’s “fort”. :eek:
    But my first exposure to it was in music as “fortay”. :grin:

    So I willing to have the Rin-Tin-Tin fort be “fort” :razz:
    And the strengh be “fortay”. :razz:

    Besides, we use music far more than we use swords today. :grin:

    HotForWords,
    You have to count your crunches in fortissimo.
    Or at least mezzo forte. :grin:

    And Kobe’s message,
    Hey everybody just follow the bouncing ball and look at them abs. :wink:

    And Marina,
    Thank you. The other day it was everybody sing along,,, But today you didn’t invite us crunch challenged (or just unpracticed) to join in. :!: :!: :razz: :oops:

  139. hotrocky says:

    Dictionary.com says it’s pronounced:[fawrt, fohrt or, for 1, fawr-tey].

  140. seesixcm6 says:

    франтовская Marina, I’ve been a subscriber for two full months, now. You’ve provided wonderful educational videos. I also see the comment boards certainly reveal the quality of character, both good and bad, of people who post remarks. There has been anger, foul language, and Internet bullying. It might be useful to post sites where such threats may be reported.
    For your homework, I checked two different sources, and they both use the two-syllable pronunciation first.
    From the Free online Dictionary:
    for·te 1 (fôrt, fôrt, frt)
    n.
    1. Something in which a person excels.
    2. The strong part of a sword blade, between the middle and the hilt.
    for·te
    From Answers.com:
    forte
    (fôr’tā’, fôrt, fōrt)
    So, your two-syllable pronunciation is right. So nice to see you exercise your thin, tiny waist!
    Your student who double-checked, seesixcm6

  141. James says:

    haha.. that bit on the side that says the comments now says

    “James on Heroin Cough Syrup”

    I hope not..

  142. Che Mero says:

    It depends on what definition you’re using this word for. In this case fawr tey

  143. Marina,
    Your web guys are correct with the spelling FORTE; :idea:

    The :arrow: e is silent cause where it is used in the word!

    If I am not mistaken I would pronounce that E with a hyphen creating that :mrgreen: eiie into an :grin: aHH so FORTE’ would have to take the silent letter and say their is a :!: symbol here you need to use me and pronounce me correctly.

    Obviously we are not in France and the US Justice system is not a boring parliment where a free country gives you that choice cause I can be free as much as you.

    Although a group gathering with the lordship would probably be like a state legilators meeting.

    Greg

  144. Hey there Hot For Words! You sure are the The cat’s pajamas. Where did that saying come from

  145. Che Mero says:

    Who’s a lucky dog? Kobe are you a lucky dog? :?: :smile:

  146. Dear Teacher,

    One of the pronunciations is fort and another for-tay. If fort was correct, I would be disappointed! Touche! Say it, for-tay.

    Your Dear Student

  147. James says:

    Really I would say forté but however you like it Marina is how i shall say

  148. James says:

    I am a bit like your brother then

  149. foxbow says:

    sit ups suck, crunches rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  150. foxbow says:

    I don’t even know wat fort(e) is:S

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