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	<description>Marina Orlova - Not your typical philologist. Etymology, philology, word origins, origin of, hot teacher.</description>
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		<title>By: zinnaku</title>
		<link>http://www.hotforwords.com/2009/04/09/penitentiary/comment-page-1/#comment-132615</link>
		<dc:creator>zinnaku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes i am following you on twitter. im new on it, as in i just registered yesterday. but your twitter 101 it has been a huge help. so thank you. it would be great if you could follow me too and give me tips and heads ups i might miss on twitter. also i would like to know how the phrase [heads up] came to be. hope i win that lunch date. it is not every day you see some one as smart as you that looks as awesome as you do. :cool:  :wink:  :smile:  :mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes i am following you on twitter. im new on it, as in i just registered yesterday. but your twitter 101 it has been a huge help. so thank you. it would be great if you could follow me too and give me tips and heads ups i might miss on twitter. also i would like to know how the phrase [heads up] came to be. hope i win that lunch date. it is not every day you see some one as smart as you that looks as awesome as you do. <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt=':cool:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' />   <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ihearbs</title>
		<link>http://www.hotforwords.com/2009/04/09/penitentiary/comment-page-1/#comment-125609</link>
		<dc:creator>ihearbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YvX1l5KZvo   :wink:</description>
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		<title>By: mythman</title>
		<link>http://www.hotforwords.com/2009/04/09/penitentiary/comment-page-1/#comment-125138</link>
		<dc:creator>mythman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember whether I&#039;m following you on Twitter, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/mythman&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;if you&#039;re one of &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; &#039;followers&#039;&lt;/a&gt; you can see how I posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://oerxomba.blogspot.com/2009/04/doctor-hotforwords-helps-you-see-saving.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a blog pointing to a smart link to this entry&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember whether I&#8217;m following you on Twitter, but <a href="http://twitter.com/mythman" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">if you&#8217;re one of <i>my</i> &#8216;followers&#8217;</a> you can see how I posted <a href="http://oerxomba.blogspot.com/2009/04/doctor-hotforwords-helps-you-see-saving.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">a blog pointing to a smart link to this entry</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: mythman</title>
		<link>http://www.hotforwords.com/2009/04/09/penitentiary/comment-page-1/#comment-125133</link>
		<dc:creator>mythman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Penitentiaries&#039; are where one learns to be free through repentance, yes? Or am I thinking of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://pinup-paradise.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pin-Up Tent-iary, where one learns about free &#039;rip pants&#039;-ence&lt;/a&gt;? 

Either Way; Thank you, Lady Marina, for leading us to that truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Penitentiaries&#8217; are where one learns to be free through repentance, yes? Or am I thinking of the <a href="http://pinup-paradise.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Pin-Up Tent-iary, where one learns about free &#8216;rip pants&#8217;-ence</a>? </p>
<p>Either Way; Thank you, Lady Marina, for leading us to that truth.</p>
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		<title>By: neuroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! I now see an opening inside the banana!!!

Spiffy! Or should I say spooky! :shock: 

Gracias Evan! :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! I now see an opening inside the banana!!!</p>
<p>Spiffy! Or should I say spooky! <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_eek.gif' alt=':shock:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Gracias Evan! <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: beevee14</title>
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		<dc:creator>beevee14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanx, b. I didn&#039;t know that was there. very good exchange of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanx, b. I didn&#8217;t know that was there. very good exchange of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: bsomebody</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t reply to your comments below. You have some interesting ideas, and I would love to hear more of them. Please check out our forums, two of which apply to the discussion we were having below. Come on by the &quot;Power of Words&quot; or the &quot;Language and Culture&quot; forums. That way the discussion can continue for a longer, uninterrupted duration. We will also prevent the main forum from straying to far from the lighter-hearted banter. Again, I would love to hear more of your ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t reply to your comments below. You have some interesting ideas, and I would love to hear more of them. Please check out our forums, two of which apply to the discussion we were having below. Come on by the &#8220;Power of Words&#8221; or the &#8220;Language and Culture&#8221; forums. That way the discussion can continue for a longer, uninterrupted duration. We will also prevent the main forum from straying to far from the lighter-hearted banter. Again, I would love to hear more of your ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: sheller</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again.  [Gantlet/gauntlet] it is.  I want to keep them paired because I&#039;m less interested in their individual histories than I am in whatever process led to the apparent triumph of gauntlet over gantlet - to the point that gauntlet pretty much stole gantlet&#039;s definition.  Hell of a way for a homophone to behave (I hope gantlet wasn&#039;t two phased by it.)

 My amateur, ground level understanding of word change is that new words, and new definitions for old words, perculate up from below.  Bad becomes Good because everybody&#039;s grooving to Michael Jackson.  [Gauntlet/gantlet] was/were never used that often, save by newspapers, magazines, etc., and other professional entities who must have had a dictionary lying around somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again.  [Gantlet/gauntlet] it is.  I want to keep them paired because I&#8217;m less interested in their individual histories than I am in whatever process led to the apparent triumph of gauntlet over gantlet &#8211; to the point that gauntlet pretty much stole gantlet&#8217;s definition.  Hell of a way for a homophone to behave (I hope gantlet wasn&#8217;t two phased by it.)</p>
<p> My amateur, ground level understanding of word change is that new words, and new definitions for old words, perculate up from below.  Bad becomes Good because everybody&#8217;s grooving to Michael Jackson.  [Gauntlet/gantlet] was/were never used that often, save by newspapers, magazines, etc., and other professional entities who must have had a dictionary lying around somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Me Lika Do The Cha Cha</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marina made a Word Game using &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/03/22/cop/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cop&lt;/a&gt; which may help answer some of your questions. On the pulldown menus, second from the left; is the button for All (the) Words. :mrgreen: 
I have to &quot;cop&quot; a plea when it comes to gauntlet.
The way to make sure Marina gets word requests is to contain the word/phrase within brackets, so she can search them out quickly. ie. [gauntlet]
She gets thousands of requests every week (she keeps busy). Plus, she reads the comments posted here and in the forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marina made a Word Game using <a href="http://www.hotforwords.com/2008/03/22/cop/" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">Cop</a> which may help answer some of your questions. On the pulldown menus, second from the left; is the button for All (the) Words. <img src='http://www.hotforwords.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I have to &#8220;cop&#8221; a plea when it comes to gauntlet.<br />
The way to make sure Marina gets word requests is to contain the word/phrase within brackets, so she can search them out quickly. ie. [gauntlet]<br />
She gets thousands of requests every week (she keeps busy). Plus, she reads the comments posted here and in the forums.</p>
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		<title>By: sheller</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I&#039;ll look into gravatars.

Now - the word stuff I&#039;m really interested in -

A- GANTLET, GAUNTLET.  Here&#039;s an entry from dictionary.com: Word History: The spelling gauntlet is acceptable for both gauntlet meaning &quot;glove&quot; or &quot;challenge&quot; and gauntlet meaning &quot;a form of punishment in which lines of men beat a person forced to run between them&quot;; but this has not always been the case. The story of the gauntlet used in to throw down the gauntlet is linguistically unexciting: it comes from the Old French word gantelet, a diminutive of gant, &quot;glove.&quot; From the time of its appearance in Middle English (in a work composed in 1449), the word has been spelled with an au as well as an a, still a possible spelling. But the gauntlet used in to run the gauntlet is an alteration of the earlier English form gantlope, which came from the Swedish word gatlopp, a compound of gata, &quot;lane,&quot; and lopp, &quot;course.&quot; The earliest recorded form of the English word, found in 1646, is gantelope, showing that alteration of the Swedish word had already occurred. The English word was then influenced by the spelling of the word gauntlet, &quot;glove,&quot; and in 1676 we find the first recorded instance of the spelling gauntlet for this word, although gantelope is found as late as 1836. From then on spellings with au and a are both found, but the au seems to have won out.
  I can understand and accept the concept of word change bubbling up from a pop cult niche to effect a system wide change - Michael Jackson has a megasmash album and suddenly &#039;Bad&#039; is &#039;Good.&#039;  GANTLET/GAUNTLET, though, have always lived in a small pond frequented mostly by editors and headline writers.  How is it a word that shares nothing but phonetics with another word supplants that word?

B- POLICE/COP.  Until recently (last 20 years) you&#039;d never, outside the tabloids, see the word &#039;cop&#039; used to refer to a law officer, except when bracketed between thug-generated quotation marks.  You see it in newspapers often nowadays, at least this side of the NYT and in the... what... seven remaining daily newspapers left in the US. &#039;Cop&#039; never made Carlin&#039;s list, and was never a taboo word, but there was always something a bit unsavory about it.  Why did this change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I&#8217;ll look into gravatars.</p>
<p>Now &#8211; the word stuff I&#8217;m really interested in -</p>
<p>A- GANTLET, GAUNTLET.  Here&#8217;s an entry from dictionary.com: Word History: The spelling gauntlet is acceptable for both gauntlet meaning &#8220;glove&#8221; or &#8220;challenge&#8221; and gauntlet meaning &#8220;a form of punishment in which lines of men beat a person forced to run between them&#8221;; but this has not always been the case. The story of the gauntlet used in to throw down the gauntlet is linguistically unexciting: it comes from the Old French word gantelet, a diminutive of gant, &#8220;glove.&#8221; From the time of its appearance in Middle English (in a work composed in 1449), the word has been spelled with an au as well as an a, still a possible spelling. But the gauntlet used in to run the gauntlet is an alteration of the earlier English form gantlope, which came from the Swedish word gatlopp, a compound of gata, &#8220;lane,&#8221; and lopp, &#8220;course.&#8221; The earliest recorded form of the English word, found in 1646, is gantelope, showing that alteration of the Swedish word had already occurred. The English word was then influenced by the spelling of the word gauntlet, &#8220;glove,&#8221; and in 1676 we find the first recorded instance of the spelling gauntlet for this word, although gantelope is found as late as 1836. From then on spellings with au and a are both found, but the au seems to have won out.<br />
  I can understand and accept the concept of word change bubbling up from a pop cult niche to effect a system wide change &#8211; Michael Jackson has a megasmash album and suddenly &#8216;Bad&#8217; is &#8216;Good.&#8217;  GANTLET/GAUNTLET, though, have always lived in a small pond frequented mostly by editors and headline writers.  How is it a word that shares nothing but phonetics with another word supplants that word?</p>
<p>B- POLICE/COP.  Until recently (last 20 years) you&#8217;d never, outside the tabloids, see the word &#8216;cop&#8217; used to refer to a law officer, except when bracketed between thug-generated quotation marks.  You see it in newspapers often nowadays, at least this side of the NYT and in the&#8230; what&#8230; seven remaining daily newspapers left in the US. &#8216;Cop&#8217; never made Carlin&#8217;s list, and was never a taboo word, but there was always something a bit unsavory about it.  Why did this change?</p>
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