To some it up:
We live in a fantasy. A society which is ruled by the parties with large financial interests which have set up an appearance of democracy.
So old money still rules. And the people have no real say in it.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
http://www.perkel.com/politics/issues/fourth.htm

I don’t think that the governing body of your homeland the Netherlands is that different from the governing body of the USA, they may look different on the surface but the principal is the same. We do have other parties besides the Democratic and Republican parties (Libertarian, Green and Independent:One who doesn’t associate with a particular party) just to name a few. But yes it boils down to who can raise the most money to get their candidate elected to the presidency (whether their right or wrong). and also to get more seats in the house and senate.

I wonder if the Forefathers of the United States (George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson) just to name a few…. Knew how much Corporations and the installment of the Federal Reserve would play out in the shaping of our government over time (in my opinion most of these groups have sinister urges) A government for the people, by the PEOPLE?

Right now we have such a media circus going on with the political arena in our country right now, it makes me sick. both sides spewing hate at one another that nothing can possibly get done! (it’s also diverting people away from what’s really going on) I myself am not hip on BIG government so I leaned more to a conservative or libertarian side, But you all know how disastrous the last eight years have been, A president who’s policies failed miserably, a vice president who overstepped his boundaries! But I didn’t vote for those fuckers including the one that’s in office right now. I wish more people could see these two individuals, who I think have more common sense then what money can buy! this is just my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P2-EPr6rP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYDt7kC3Z0

People tell me that I waste my vote because these two don’t have a chance to win and who knows maybe they can’t do the job, but I feel in my heart that they’ll try and they have more common sense then the faces you see in the forefront of the parties right now and possibly not succumb totally to the financial/special interest. Yes we have special interests that influence our politicians here too and the general public gets left behind.

I was aware of some of the things mentioned in that piece “The Obama Deception” but I think it is well put together, and people can make up their own minds and just be aware.

But hey Rijk, thanks for giving me an insight on the governing body of your homeland and a little history lesson too I maybe way out of line posting something on this subject matter on here (maybe the forum section might of possibly been a better choice), but it’s okay once in awhile to talk about this shit.
But back to the bigger picture

Yes, It seems like the “Old Bosses” are still in charge, and they’re still pulling the strings even to this day.

P.S. you say that there is still hope for the Dutch, I would like to say the same for Americans, but when you’ve had a “corruptive element” that has been around for a long time, It’ll take more than a fight to make a serious change.

For the Dutch there is still hope .

I wouldn’t read it, word isn’t that great in translating

The clapper comes in paragraph 3: The President as well as the remaining members of the Council of commissioners are appointed each time for a period of four years by the shareholders from a recitation of three persons for each to fulfill a place, made up by the Council of commissioners.
- WHAT DO YOU MEAN the shareholders? In 1948, the state the only shareholder had nevertheless become? That is nationalization!. The shareholders do not carry now in practice for, but the representatives of the old owner as it happens, carry the sitting members of the RvC for!
After nationalization never drastic clean there to the top has been. The old powers stayed on and were possible then and up to today each other continue appoint. But that is certainly an independent elaboration certain direction the government… says simply a complete exclusion of the owner ever a decisive get influence within Dutch central bank.

After nationalization the people has therefore never got the control concerning the money creation in the Netherlands.

The fact which the recitation must come from three of the sitting commissioners and those commissioners originates from the old owner reflects, however, to that this power centre still entirely is checked by the original owner. The government has only one position in the Council of commissioners which exists from 10 persons, can never say something decisive. At the most this one person ever maximum 33% of the control can has. The government and wetens the power has therefore willens kept Dutch central bank at the old shareholders. Thereby by person, namely T. it has been designated richly. originated of the earl, from none political ( has been chosen) person manages of the civil servants and he. Also he has never on a chosen position functioned.

If we look at who there at present part determine of this Council of commissioners who have been appointed by… becomes the sitting members of the RvC, then in my eyes entirely clear that in any case the control Dutch central bank is seriously nationalized never.
There still a heir of the original founder of Dutch central bank in the Council of commissioners sits. This one person has to therefore introduce as many such as the owner, rich, who has someone there sit on behalf of the Dutch people.
ZKH has had the prince of Orange, as it happens, already since 1998 meeting in the Council. Other well-known names are a the family Fentener of Vlissingen, the richest family of the Netherlands.

We also encounter old politician Frits Bolkenstein. On behalf of which he sits there, nobody who the official knows, but he worked 16 years for Shell. He by means of had been, however, chosen functions operative in the Netherlands and Europe, but he is not the realm representative in the RvC. Moreover Frits a regular visitor of the buttock of the mount conference is, the meeting where also queen sees himself Beatrix frequently late, probably because its father is the founder of these meetings.

G.J. Kleisterlee the CEO of Philips, are also part of the RvC. Although very I to speak are concerning the knowledge and knowledge of these CEO, is it the question how much time he seriously can make to be able fulfil IF here a role of meaning, he already the people would sit. He sits that not, because he is not independent. To be will precede company importance undoubtedly always on the national importance. A considerable part of Philips is in the hands of what also the old owner of Dutch central bank is and also Kleisterlee are not at chance and CEO of Philips and part of the RvC. He sits there because of its knowledge, of course, but undoubtedly also from the fact that the shareholders Philips and old the owner of Dutch central bank have him terrible gladly.

E.Kist, where we know that also again of… That ever President of the Council of governing board of ING was… YOU know, however, the bank which had state support in 2008/2009 all of a sudden 50 billion necessary because the shareholders insisted this way on better performances… That whereas on grant only ING certificates noted and the shares stand under management stands of the administrative office that has asked never a critical question. That ING is represented here, is no surprise. Here too, just like at Philips the same owner which has still a considerable importance.

I come also Mr. A.H. of parts. The president of in The Hague the court. Is the role of commissioner at Dutch central bank, it manage of financial power combine with its independent role as right? The same person also President of the Council for the jurisdiction has been. In short, this is one of the persons who it has in the Netherlands for saying. He not only sits in the Council for commissioners, but sits also once more in the bank Council of Dutch central bank.
I have not been astonished concerning that my search to information also a complaint if these brought above water: http://www.sdnl.nl/bur-hr07.htm. Indefinite power of makes a person or organization corrupt. The judiciary, combined with financial power, makes untouchable.
Moreover AH of parts are also once more member of the commission of supervision of information and security service. Do not be mistaken yourself you, this man is one of the most powerful Dutch who walk around there and nearly nobody of the people which knows him. He has been preferred nowhere democratic for. He has been everywhere placed by still higher powers. You want read nice charge, then you must read also once what the revolutionary party is to happen. Very interesting reading material: http://www.burgersinactie.nl/download/080108%20dnb%20zkh%20c-%20-.pdf.

The question which calls himself, is now which the powers those these powerful people have these important roles have been given. Where does that invisibly power lie? That and does know isn’t she only mutually the dominant positions available, or is himself that invisibly power there really and is supervised by we and trusteeship of the international entrepreneurs and bankers?

Nowadays we have in the government and also once more on financial matter, Wouter bunch. Also he was, just like Frits Bolkenstein ever operative for Shell. Frits Bolkenstein, which determine part of the Council of commissioners of Dutch central bank, have been years also for 16 for Shell operative. It no surprise that venture also that has been deeply anchored zit in Dutch central bank. Absolutely no surprise. The question is only when Wouter bunch will join the RvC van DNB.

All in all sit there individually a number of capable people in this power block-system. People who have acquired an enormous reputation in their career and those proved , however, the e.e.a. in their top have. Do it is this way that it especially the drivers of the largest ventures are that meeting have. Drivers of in fact the old shareholders who have still executive and the checking power of our financial establishment in hands. For an institute which is nationalized , it a strange matter that to the effective owner is there this way say little has to. The fact which our money is managed by the capital with its own interests is a narrow idea, certainly now we must observe that this institute has failed the last years in a grotesque manner.
Its checking role proved to be a farce and its stabilizing role also.

The fact which the current owner (rich) can still no decisive influence exercise and to the fact that a member of the untouchable royal house is member of this club, is no publicity. In fact the membership of a heir of the founder is the strongest proof of the fact that the effective power structure has changed basically never.
It concerns there now not or the royal house himself desirable is, it concerns there or this important executive role of the royal house desirable is. In my eyes is that pertinent not the case. Enormous failing Dutch central bank must be also considered now in feite as failing the individual members of the RvC. In fact the owner (richly) the RvC and must send the Executive Board because of failure to house, which implies that we soon a king will get whom , has deserved figurative box on the ear of rich, the official owner of Dutch central bank .
The fact however that we cannot weed a this way badly functioning club, indicates already good that there is something fundamental wrong within the Netherlands.
Indicated like yesterday already, we do not live in a democracy. We live in finacratie. A society which is sent by the parties with large financial interests which have set up an appearance democracy which they have entirely from their financial power structure in the grip
and the only way a new boardmember can be apointed are by the bordmembers themselfs. The has one boardmember, the rest or the

I had not seen it before. Watched in two parts. It loaded just fine didn’t have to wait.
You are right, there are a bigger picture, and its worse than I thought. If I had only watched this on I would be skeptical. But the site I showed William pointed to the FED for the crises and complete are the part on the Dutch central bank FED or the Netherlands
My rough translation:
The Dutch central bank were a private bank, in 1948, the Dutch central bank were nationalist the private shareholders in return got twice the value or their shares. (They received certificates or registration in the piglet Book or National Debt)
So the question now isn’t WHO the owner is, but WHO are the ate wheel.
The Dutch central bank are a plc (nameless company) which guarantees independence or the Central Government.
And this are strange, because the Central Government are the owner of the Dutch central bank and yet they no say in it!

If the old owners (including our royal) can maintain their position in the company and cannot be binned by the only share holder the Central Government, in reality the nationalization is a hooks.

The government is a bit different than the USA. Instead of two parties we (and I will not count the really small ones) we have 8. We vote for the “second chamber”. The each party with enough votes get a number of seats.
The government which will rule the country comes from the “second chamber” the different parties negotiate until they have more than 50% off the seats. Usually this means 3 parities form the government.
The whole second camber. Checks what the government does and ask questions about their actions.
So there is more control than in the USA. But some off the same things of course happen.

To some it up:
We live in a fantasy. A society which is ruled by the parties with large financial interests which have set up an appearance of democracy.

So old money still rules. And the people have no real say in it.

“You must tie a string all around your finger,
hang the other end of the string out the window,
And I’ll slip by and pull the string,
And you must come down and let me in
With me do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.”

Says Jack to himself, “I’ve a mind to try,
To see if a poor sailor he can’t win him that prize.”
So he stole by and he pulled the string
And the lady come down and she let Jack in
With that do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.

When the squire came by, he was humming a song,
Thinking to himself how it wouldn’t be long.
But when he got there, no string he found.
Behold, his oats were all dashed to the ground
With that do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.

Well, early next morning, it was just getting light,
The lady awoke with a terrible fright.
For there lay Jack in his tarry old shirt,
his handsome face was all covered in dirt
And that do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.

“Oh what do you want, you tarry sailor,
Breaking in a lady’s bedroom to steal her treasure?”
“Oh no,” says Jack, “I just pulled that string
And you come down, ma’m, and let me in
With me do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.”

Jack says to the lady, “Your pardon I pray,
I’ll steal away at the break of the day.”
“Oh no,” says she, “don’t you go far
For I never will part from me jolly Jack Tar
And his do me ama, dee me ama, do me ama day.”

- traditional [fo'c's'le] song.