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Cheapskate

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  • Started 1 year ago by Corvus_moneduloides
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  1. Corvus_moneduloides
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    So, I discovered this about two and a half hours ago during free association internet browsing and started watching videos and reading comments.

    I hit the raccoon video and was reading through the comments.

    Nakedbullwinkle apparently left because his words weren't being used. Marina posted a response and I saw her mention the word cheapskate. She posted that nobody could find its origin.

    So, I have a grand supposition that comes to me through my area of expertise--biology.

    I see the word skate and immediately think cartilaginous fish -- chondricthyes.

    So, I pop through a few websites to find the latin/greek word used for skate.

    Batis. I then poke around for references to batis and I find a pdf covering food in the ancient world.

    Batis refers to the thornback ray (Raja clavata). Found at its best in midwinter and to be eaten with cheese and silphium (an extinct plant used as spice; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silphium).

    What really got me thinking of a connection to cheapskate was the anecdote told by Lynceus

    "as good eating as an old cloak."

    cited: http://books.google.com/books?id=FtIXAe2qYDgC&pg=RA1-PA304&lpg=RA1-PA304&dq=greek+batis&source=bl&ots=2-ZUJ2VyTn&sig=l6k4LtoAwU8WrNa4yD6yMV_caJc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PRA1-PA304,M1

    I poke around and find that their habitat is saltwater/brine and can be found commonly in the eastern Atlantic, from Norway, south through the mediterranean, the western Baltic, and the western Black Sea and in briny estuaries along those coasts. They are docile and benthic, with a tendency to lie motionless unless closely approached and described as a slow swimmer.

    cited: http://www.elasmodiver.com/Thornback%20skate.htm

    Here's where the supposition begins. It's a common, coarse fleshed animal that is described as not all that tasty. So, as food goes, it would be relatively inexpensive.

    If someone had money, but bought batis, then they are being cheap.

    Batis is the greek root of skate.

    Maybe cheap skate originally described a kind of food and went on to become an adjective for penny pinchers.

    So, there you go. It's plausible. Not that it's anything more than supposition, but it certainly fits nicely.

    Never count out biology when looking at etymology.

    Jon

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Skates are fish - duh! When I pull 'em in, I take 'em to a Vietnamese lady who gives me pompano fish in trade. To her, skates are a "#1 fishy", and pompano are not. I make out BIG time on that deal
    She whacks off the tails and makes soup, a family recipe - considered a delicacy.

    @Corvus_moneduloides: Oh yeah, by way of intro - I like to do a lot of fishing, so I know how to catch, clean and cook 'em; which baits to use; shit like that...
    Pompano are hard to catch from the shoreline or docks anymore. They used to school by the piers (in Pompano Beach), but haven't done that since the late 70's. It's a large flat white fish with a sweet meat, not oily - very nice fish...
    Since you read the comments, you saw my post re Nakedbullwinkle. It was sad to see he gives up so easily, but sometimes it happens that way. Bob already let you know about the Gravatar site, so get one! It's real easy and painless. Maybe find a nice "crow" graphic, eh? (I have a friend who trains birds of prey; falcons, ravens, hawks, etc. for zoos. Crows learn FAST...). See ya 'round.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. buzzword
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    @corvus biology, cool. any particular area of specialization?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Corvus_moneduloides
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    Check out the New Caledonia crow. That is the smartest damn bird on earth. Probably smarter than non-human primates.

    I see that you're yet another victim of overfishing. Funny how people lobbying for the fishing industries will talk about how overfishing isn't a real threat to animal populations....

    As far as fish go, my favorites are the ones that get sliced up cold (sometimes raw) and lain on bits of squished together rice. Mmmmmmmm.....rainbow roll. Strange, I managed to include Asian people in my post too. Well, the stuff I get is from Asian people.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Corvus_moneduloides
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    @buzzword

    Behavioral Ecology and Evolution

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. @Corvus - Cool Gravatar! If you have a website URL (YouTube page, etc.), you can link it to your screen name inside the dashboard under your profile settings. In the forums, it changes your screen name color to green (it's blue at the HFW site) and lets people find your site just by clicking on your name.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Corvus_moneduloides
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    When/if I ever build a website, I'll be sure to do so. Thanks for the info!

    Posted 1 year ago #

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